Netflix Presents: Orange is the New Black

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by tighr, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. JirinPanthosa

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    I'm only five episodes in now, but so far I'd rank it below season 2 and above season 1.

    That's the trouble with having your characters face real consequences, you lose your best talent. Usually it's worth it because if your characters are in a magic bubble of protection the show loses credibility, but after a while it leaves you with full blown Soprano Syndrome.
     
  2. JanewayRulz!

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    SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Season 3 musings.

    I think season 3 shows us how people are acclimating their environment to their lifestyle (creating their own religions, etc) and in some cases how they are "letting" their environment change them.

    Some for the better, like Pennsatucky. :cardie:

    Some for the worse, like Piper. :devil:

    Some have tried and (?) failed, like Nicky. :weep:

    Some seem like they are progressing like Morello, only to show us in graphic detail how little they have progressed. (Christopher) :sigh:

    I also liked how we saw Black Cindy respond to the culinary crisis with the simple lie about requiring a kosher meal, only to discover a peace she never suspected when she studied the religion. Her flashbacks to her strict fundamentalist father as she walked her journey, and then the freedom she experienced in the lake was inspiring. :beer:

    I really liked how the writers have looked beyond the obvious, odious Correction Officer stereotype and shown them as complicated people in their own right. Something I think the real Piper can't see because she's only seen them from the prisoner perspective. I feel for most of them, except the donut boy and now Caputo. He truly has sold himself out and turned himself into that which he despises. Fig. :brickwall:

    Bennett's rabbiting was sad but "to be expected" since there truly was no future for these two. :(

    I kept waiting for Pornstache's mom to show some psychotic tendencies, but I guess there's always next year. :confused:

    Nicky... I'm still am holding out hope that she was at the back of the bus in the finale. :techman:

    Maritza? If she doesn't kill that Correction officer next year, I know Flaca and Gloria definitely will! :klingon:

    The real question is "will Sophia go after Gloria when she gets out of the SHU?" :eek:

    I bristled at what appeared to be the seduction of Red... or Healey this season, until Red dressed me (and Healy) down about leaving her without any power/money except "one coin" and then judging her for spending that one coin to get what she needs. That was really well done. :mallory:

    Things I was shocked at... is who are the murderers in this group.

    In season 1 it was Yoga Jones and Miss Claudette.

    In season 2 it was Vee. :evil:

    In season 3... it was Chang and Norma!!!!!! :cardie:

    There were tons of backstory tidbits this year.

    I never would have suspected Watson was raised as a Muslim, or that Flaca's crime was selling paper with sugar water on it, or how Pennsatucky's descent into her drug hell was fueled by her mother's need to "drug her" with mountain dew to impress upon the social workers how sick the kid was, and how later men would bribe her with the same drink for sexual favors. And Nicky... oh my dear sweet Nicky. Even without the mountain dew and the sellout mother, you and Pennsatucky became ensnared by similar addictions, though you were light years apart in wealth and education and rehab opportunities. :sigh:

    It started out lighter and sweeter this season, but the undercurrent of Piper's descent reminded us that these women are in prison, not some summer camp for wayward teens. Piper & Alex were still having sex, but were no longer making love. Norma and Red's estrangement was also hard to take. Big Boo's rapprochement with Pennsatucky was nice to see, until the planned rape of the CO. Glad to see that didn't happen, but wished they left him where another CO could have found him before he sobered up. Aneida and Daya will always be a mother/daughter relationship that as Maria said in season 1, should be a poster for birth control. :p

    And what can I say when Suzanne ends up being one of the sanest people on the show this year? Obscene... but still relatively normal. :)

    Yes, I'm looking at you Lolly! :lol:

    At least she and Poussey look like they will end up with a girlfriend next year. No... NOT each other! :alienblush:

    Things I liked... Taystee gaslighting her friend Poussey in an effort to sober her up, and the flashback to a young Miss Rosa. Finding out Miss Rosa ended her life at her own hands, doing a "Thelma and Louise" into a quarry.

    It was definitely a different feel to season 3, but then it's only been 3 seasons which have spanned less than 12 months real time. It can't all be sweetness and light or heavy duty death.

    Do you think they'll put Piper's sister in law in Litchfield when the authorities catch up to them? :vulcan:

    You don't really think Stella will keep her mouth shut that long, do you??? :rommie:
     
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  3. Karzak

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    Just finished the season last night. Magnificent!

    When you get to the end of season three, you'll see (in a pretty big way) that the showrunners very much did NOT forget about it.
     
  4. Finn

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    Where was Piper at the end? Alex was in the greenhouse in danger of being executed. Everyone else was running out to the lake. But, no Piper? My guess is Piper at one point recognized the guard, who may stand out more with most of the staff gone. I figured they would have gone after Piper as well since she might blab later on...
     
  5. Trekker4747

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    I've only watched the first episode. I plan on spreading out my watching of this season rather than burn it all in a few days and then have to wait a year for the next installment.

    First episode was alright, seems like a lot of the ramifications from the end of S2 were mostly glossed over.

    I'm not much on caring about spoilers, I caught the one upthread about Nicky leaving with if that's a "permanent" change then, yikes, that one is going to sting. She was probably my favorite character in the show. Losing her is going to sting.
     
  6. tomalak301

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    Sorry Trekker.

    Have we (Or anywhere on the internet) come up with rules regarding spoilers of Netflix shows? One of the reasons I why I watched it so quickly was because spoilers for a show like this are hard to avoid and I ended up doing the spoiling.
     
  7. SPCTRE

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    I'm so fucking stoked to finally watch S3. Promising start, three episodes in.
     
  8. JanewayRulz!

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    She was in the chapel, tattooing the infinity symbol on her left torso. I don't think she noticed the new character at all.
     
  9. Finn

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    ^I got the impression there was some passage of time between that and the stampede to the lake, but now I think you are right.

    Yeah. I agree about the new character now. I'm rewatching season one, and It seems Alex knew a lot of people Piper wasn't really aware of, within the organization.
     
  10. FPAlpha

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    Who's Nicky again?

    The woman with mental problems who once escaped and stalked her ex for a day?
     
  11. SPCTRE

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    Nicky is the heroin addict.
     
  12. Trekker4747

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    No worries, I don't get bothered by spoilers too much. Some shows I don't want to spoiled on, some shows I don't care. And even if I'm spoiled on a show I *do* care about them on I... don't care. I just don't get upset over spoilers like some do.

    I'm not sure what the "rules" are regarding NF series either here or on the internet as a whole. It's hard to say because everyone is going to watch the show at their own pace. Which is why I land on my feelings on spoilers in general:

    If you don't want to be spoiled on it, don't enter a discussion about it, regardless if the thread advertises spoilers or not. (Though if it says "No Spoilers!" don't be a dick and give out spoilers.)

    Anyone entering this thread should really expect them, it's a hazard. It's one I expected. I can not read posts, click on spoiler code, and just provide my thoughts as they come along without reading any posts. Spoiler avoidance is a two-person game, one has to take some measure of responsibility too in avoiding them.

    She's also addicted to other things, creating some of the show's more... "interesting" scenes. :evil:
     
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  13. J.T.B.

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    I guess so. I clicked the thread because it had new posts and I didn't even know the new series was out yet. I didn't reckon on the second new post having a spoiler from the end (?) of the season. Lesson learned.

    Personally, one episode a day is plenty for me, I like to have some time to think on it before the next one and if I watch them too quickly events get jumbled together. Actually the traditional one a week is best, IMO. So, I'll be back to the thread in a week or two.
     
  14. JanewayRulz!

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    Very frizzy hair, Morello's (the crazy stalker) main squeeze in season 1 and Alex's Secret Santa target, Red's number one prison daughter and basically the prison philosopher. :p

    In season 1, she told Red that she thought she was Red's "Spock" ie number one minion. :mallory:

    In season 2, she told Piper who mused if her life mattered, "In the macro sense you are one cheerio in the bulk size box of life, but you tickle me so Yeah, you matter." ;)

    And... as noted above, the "heroin" addict.

    That scar on her chest, seen in season 1, wasn't a prosthetic. :vulcan:

    The actress playing Nicky has had her own demons to fight and that scar was from heart surgery performed because of an often fatal infection caused by injecting drugs.
     
  15. Janeway's Girl

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    Nicky is my favourite character! I'm having difficulty dealing with.. You know. As for this season I'm taking things slower because I want to enjoy it longer. Started watching last Saturday and only up to episode 8. I will say that I'm liking 3 better than 2. I think it's the lack of Vee. I hated her and not in a "love to hate her" way.
     
  16. JirinPanthosa

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    Got through episode 7 now. I have to agree now that season 3 is the weakest season, but it's still good. The show doesn't have a lot of narrative momentum at this point. And though there's a lot of really good moments some of the characters' behavior is just bizarre.
     
  17. Janeway's Girl

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    I JUST finished and I feel underwhelmed. This season started out really good and then went a bit downhill. There wasn't even a good cliffhanger.
     
  18. JanewayRulz!

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    Just think of season 3 as "The Empire Strikes Back" of OitNB. ;)
     
  19. Karzak

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    I don't know if I agree about that.

    Piper is descending into dangerous territory of her criminal enterprise, and Alex seems to be in quite the pickle. Too, I don't think Pornstasche's mother is just going to disappear, even though Dayanara's mother told her that the baby died. Steenburgen will find out and there'll be more drama to be had.

    The scenes at the lake were delightful. I thought it ended perfectly.
     
  20. Janeway's Girl

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    Never seen it.