NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well...

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Enterprise is Great, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Any unrealized premise is a potential disaster, or a potential success. It's all in the execution.

    After all, it wasn't the concept of Murder, She Wrote that made it succeed. The concept, as many have noted, was ridiculous. What made it work was Angela Lansbury's talent and charisma, and the legion of name guest stars she was surrounded with, and the cleverness of the writing and the mysteries. So if this version has a strong lead, clever writing, and good guests, it could work too. Or it could turn out to be a mess. That's the gamble with any series, remake or not.
     
  2. Hound of UIster

    Hound of UIster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 26, 2002
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    If they used this premise for the reboot, I definitely would watch it.
     
  3. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2001
    Location:
    Great Britain
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Or why Cabot Cove was still populated. Seriously given the murder rate there is a wonder anyone stayed and didn't move somewhere safer.
     
  4. scotpens

    scotpens Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2009
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Considering that Cabot Cove was supposed to be a small fishing village in Maine, it's a wonder anyone was still alive! :p
     
  5. Zaku

    Zaku Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2009
    Location:
    Italy
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    It's been calculated that Cabot Cove has a murder rate of 86 per 1000; by comparison, the most murderous city in the world, Caracas, has a murder rate of 1.1 per 1000.
     
  6. Orac Zen

    Orac Zen Mischief Manager Super Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2000
    Location:
    Godsown.
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Bingo. Even though the show required Angela Lansbury to utilise perhaps 2% (at most) of her extraordinary talent, it was that talent that made the show work. It's somewhat depressing that M,SW is what most people will remember Ms Lansbury for.

    To each their own and all, but I won't be watching any remake, regardless of who's involved.
     
  7. Foxhot

    Foxhot Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2011
    Location:
    Foxhot
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    The question is, why didn't the NAACP Image Awards ever nominate Angela Lansbury for her role? Given that Octavia Spencer has a probable lock on said nomination, playing the same character....
     
  8. Silvercrest

    Silvercrest Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Was it clever? Whenever I watched it, Jessica solved the case by pulling heretofore-unknown facts out of thin air and fingering a suspect who hadn't been discussed before. I figured out pretty fast that you can generally tell "whodunit" by observing which character figures into the story the least.
     
  9. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    ^Some seasons of M,SW were clever, others not so much. As with any long-running show, it was variable. But at its best it was a pretty solid mystery show. Remember, it was co-created by Richard Levinson and William Link, who also gave us Columbo. (Hey, I just learned on Wikipedia that it was based on their failed Ellery Queen series -- they just took the idea of a mystery writer-cum-amateur detective and gender-swapped it.)
     
  10. Silvercrest

    Silvercrest Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    At least with Ellery Queen you had a chance to decipher the clues! (Not that I ever succeeded, of course.) ;)
     
  11. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    I don't agree with your characterization of M,SW. As far as I recall, it played its mysteries as fairly as any other TV show. There's no way Levinson and Link would've tolerated a mystery that handled its clues as unfairly and shoddily as you imply.
     
  12. Silvercrest

    Silvercrest Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    I'm not making a blanket characterization... I'm only reporting what I saw and why I wasn't particularly compelled to continue watching. It could be that I was unlucky enough to catch the worst of the episodes.

    Besides, Ellery Queen's structure was unusual compared to most mystery shows, what with the TV equivalent of the novels' "Challenge to the Reader." That was all I meant. But it's certainly true that the Ellery Queen creators would know better. I didn't realize M,SW was created by the same people either.
     
  13. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Location:
    "Who are you?"
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Beyond what's been mentioned, one of the things about Murder, She Wrote that I liked was that not only did Jessica figure out who did it, but also she figured out why. Even if it became trite, I still thought that the sympathy she often displayed for the killer, because of whatever sad story that had led them to murder, was kinda touching. Columbo was often that way, and even more so, so maybe this was one of the touches from Levinson and Link.
     
  14. inflatabledalek

    inflatabledalek Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2011
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    As with most obvious jokes people make about any long running series the "Isn't it a bit suspicious how everywhere she goes people die?" thing was lampshaded in the show itself at least once- In the episode with Patrick McGoohan as a prosecutor he puts her on the stand and starts asking her about the very odd life she leads with "Isn't it odd how your nephews are always being accused of murder?" style questions.
     
  15. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    Well, it was a very long-running show. Did you watch at the beginning, or come in later? I found the later seasons less engaging than the early ones, although the one J. Michael Straczynski produced was pretty good.
     
  16. Vendikarr

    Vendikarr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    May 17, 2001
    Location:
    Vendikarr
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    I know.. make Jessica Fletcher a writer of modern fantasy novels, with vampires, werewolves, etc. and have her come across those creatures every week. Make it a blend of Murder She Wrote and Kolchak: The Night Stalker.

    "I'll be damned, they do sparkle."
     
  17. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    ^So not J.B. Fletcher, but J.K. Fletcher? ;)
     
  18. Silvercrest

    Silvercrest Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2003
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    I couldn't even tell you now. Most likely whatever I've seen was not first-run.

    NOOOOOO!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:
     
  19. Vendikarr

    Vendikarr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    May 17, 2001
    Location:
    Vendikarr
    Re: NBC rebooting Murder, She Wrote...'cause Ironside worked so well..

    haha, it writes itself.
     
  20. Enterprise is Great

    Enterprise is Great Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2004

Share This Page