My first voyage with Voyager

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Qutluch, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. Qutluch

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    How the hell was Wang voted the sexiest man? I just don't see it.

    Kim falls in love with an alien....then he had to go to the sickbay... I was hoping for a STD! Then the doc said he had to tell the captain. what happened to patient confidentiality... They need permission to have sex with aliens? I do not think Riker had permission for his numerous sexual encounters...

    Harry really sucks with women. No cuddling, no pillow talk, when she tells him about their deep connection, he asks how to stop it.. No wonder he never gets laid.

    Kim argues with Janeway when he was sent to be treated. He pleads with her. He asks her if she would have taken a numbing hypo spray to numb the sadness she felt in losing her fiancé. Valid point, I guess.

    Favorite part: Kim was given a formal reprimand.

    Least favorite part: Harry Kim.
     
  2. Qutluch

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    Course oblivion

    Really? Really? Can it be true? Is this a trick? this has to be a trick! These were my first thoughts. I was right! She said lieutenant Paris in the vows.

    What the hell? They are all duplicates? The entire ship is full of duplicates. "Janeway" tries to maintain course to the alpha quadrant and then changed to go back to their " home", which was the demon planet. Their are several lines about survival and touching scenes with the crew, which meant nothing to me. Even though the duplicates have the same base personality, once they found out they were duplicates their behavior changes.

    Least favorite part: the whole episode. I feel like any character development that occurred does not count since they are duplicates, and they know it. Having that knowledge changes their behaviors.

    Also, if this is going to be a coulda woulda episode at least let Chakotay and Janeway hook up!
     
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    Interesting episode. Great title, I don't know why, but the title is intriguing. For some reason a "think tank" just did not seem to be a trustworthy group. They seemed like villains from the beginning. I kind of wish they would have seemed like a trustworthy group until the moment that asked for Seven as payment for their assistance. After having gone through Voyager's logs they should have known that they would not willingly given up a member of their crew. That aside, the episode was not bad. Janeway outsmarted the think tank, which made me think of the dos equis commercials. I can just imagine them panning in on Janeway, as she whips around with one hand on her hip and a dos equis in the other hand...."Janeway, the smartest woman alive".
     
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    Think Tank is a good one~
     
  5. JanewayRulz!

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    I liked this ep.

    To me it was Voy's version of a MU ep... much more so than even "Living Witness".

    And that ending... where only we the audience (and any races who interacted with MU Voyager) know there was a duplicate Voyager... and only we know what happened to the Duplicate.

    It is almost a "there but for the grace of God"(and Captain Janeway) reminder for our own intrepid travelers.

    At any time, any moment, they too could have their very existence wiped from the universe with no-one else the wiser to mourn their passing.

    JANEWAY: Make a note in the ship's record. We received a distress call at oh nine hundred hours, arrived at the vessel's last known co-ordinates at twenty one twenty. The ship was destroyed, cause unknown. No survivors. Mister Paris, resume course.
     
  6. Captain Kathryn

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    Course Oblivion is a good episode, but it freaked me out a little the first time I watched it.
     
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    I found it very disturbing. Was it supposed to be disturbing?
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    Prove that you are not fake.
     
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    I am fake. The real me died doing something important and they had to replace her before they'd gotten the copy up to code.
     
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    I, too, liked "Course: Oblivion". It was a really cool what-if story and I appreciated the callback to the earlier episode. But, as others have said, I wish they would have gone even farther in the end. Like having Janeway and Chakotay finally living out their feelings for one another.
     
  11. Guy Gardener

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    Or they ran into another dissolving Voyager.

    "You too?"

    "Yup. Life's a bitch."
     
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    How pissed off would the J/C'ers be if the fake J and C actually got it on, waking up in bed next to each other, the whole deal and then it was the fake ones!!! Quite a troll.
     
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    Nobody remembered Tom and B'Elanna were dating.
     
  14. Captain Kathryn

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    :lol:
     
  15. Brit

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    Probably not as much as what we actually got, and I can tell you there were a lot of pretty pissed fans out there. That's why there is far more Voyager fan fiction on FanFiction.net than all the other Treks combined. That's why there is even a face book group for J/C fan fiction recommendations even to this day.

    It is also what sparked all the - Now Tea Cake please cover your eyes, I love you the way you are and I respect your favorite paring - I'm just reporting -

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    "Die Seven Die" fan fiction contests around the ending of the show.
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    You can look now.

    And all the let's get together and fix this travesty fan fictions generated since then. I think the last thing the J/C fandom actually did as a whole before the huge big breakup in 2003 was a novel called "Tying The Threads."

    The first fan fiction I wrote was a fix "Endgame" fic. around 2003. I plotted out and then tried to give it to my daughter, but she made me write it. Now I am working on an original novel. Maybe I should be grateful to the producers but I'm not lol.
     
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    So cruel. Did 7 ask for Janeway to reject both her and Chakotay and drive them into each other's arms? No!

    I'm still in shock they J/C'd it for reals in Treklit, never expected that. Not because there wasn't reason for it but because Treklit seemed hellbent on Janeway getting nothing but pain. Hopefully in the next book(s) it's just a normal, good relationship and not an angst excuse like with the TNG couples.
     
  17. JanewayRulz!

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    No good J/C deed goes unpunished, Teacake.

    Kirsten Beyer is probably giving one if not BOTH of them amnesia in the next book. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Brit

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    God I hope so Teacake, the guys and gals of Trek Lit don't do relationships very well. Just thinking about the way the Chakotay character was treated after Janeway's death was horrible. One thing for sure that I know is that David Mack started that BS in his Destiny books, and Beyer (who is the best of the lot when writing relationships) fleshed out what Mack started.

    I hate the soap opera feeling around the way Trek Lit writes the Picard/Crusher and the Ryker/Troi relationships. The other thing I don't want to see is Babies. Please Trek Lit don't go there, you have already messed it up twice.
     
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    Janeway is not to have a baby.

    I don't mind if she kinda adopts one, in an auntish way but that's it.
     
  20. R. Star

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    Janeway had twins. Then abandoned them. They're gonna grow up to be angry vengeful lizards.