My first voyage with Voyager

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Qutluch, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. Guy Gardener

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    Yes, that is a distinct possibility if Neelix is a massive loser with no self esteem.

    (Applause?)

    In retrospect it even makes sense.

    I'd even say that they broke up right after Warlord before the next episode started, when Kes confirmed that the Warlord was telling the truth because she was too much of a coward to break it off herself and in a way she's glad that she was possessed because now she is truly free from a depressing burden that captured her every moment which she had no idea how to politely escape from.

    But since we didn't see that happen, it might not have happened.

    Between Darkling and Warlord their relationship is Schroedingers Cat.

    It was in an indeterminate quantum state.

    Did we see Sisko and Cassiday get back together? He was drunk on Visions from that orb shadow and acting crazy, So that once all that whacky shit quietened they still had to have a real conversation about whether he was going to share his bed with a terrorist convict?

    What about when that Paugh Wraith who took over kieko? "she" wanted to sleep with Miles for a laugh, does that mean that on the inside underneath the possession that Kieko was gagging for a bit too? I doubt they did even after she forced him to share a bed, but if they had, and Yoshi had been conceived then rather than much earlier, you could have argued that kid would grow up to be the emissary of the Paugh Wraiths.
     
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  2. R. Star

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    Well Sisko and Kassidy really didn't break up... they were estranged for awhile, but yeah... your girlfriend being a terrorist and getting locked up(for only a year, dang those Feds are soft!) will do that. He put up with it too. She came right back to him afterward and put up with his Bajorian Jesus stuff, so I'd say that's love.

    As for Kes? Well she said Ocampa do mate for life, so I like to think that Tiernan did something she was thinking about but was a cultural taboo to her. But since it was done, she didn't want to jump right back into it with Neelix when she wasn't exactly happy with it to begin with.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    Which is probably what happened.

    It wasn't intentional, but I like it that it's fuzzy.

    In Muse, that playwrite is writing about how Tom Paris is kissing both of the Delanney sisters at the same time.

    And I'm thinking "Dude! That's you're boyfriend he's turning into a porno slut! Stand up for Tom's virtue for frakks sake!"

    Although it seems that the real world writer, Joe Menosky, might have forgotten that they were together, or didn't believe that they were still together because no one had done a Tom/B'Elanna getting it on episode in a while... Or it's possible he didn't watch episodes he hadn't written and therefore had no idea they were glomming.
     
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    I wonder how much Sisko and Kasidy wrote to each other. All the correspondence would be read presumably. I'm surprised Sisko wasn't under huge pressure to break it off completely.
     
  5. JirinPanthosa

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    IIRC correctly Cassidy's role with the Maquis was to smuggle supplies. I can see since Cassidy was the first woman he connected with since Jennifer that he was willing to overlook that, especially since she turned herself in.
     
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    Oh I get why HE overlooked it I just don't get why Starfleet allowed it. Can't have a relationship on a ship with a subordinate but you get to have one with a terrorist? Starfleet would have seen her as a huge security risk. It's not just some random ensign she's hooked up with.
     
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    In a real military they probably wouldn't have allowed it. Starfleet on the other hand is more like a quasi-military. They see themselves as explorers and scientists who moonlight as the military. And Cassidy was a private citizen who served her time, second chances and that good stuff. Plus they had to have been watching her.
     
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    I'm sure they were already watching Sisko above and beyond the usual watching in case he cracked and turned into some Bajoran nutter.
     
  9. R. Star

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    I thought he did that though.
     
  10. teacake

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    Exactly. They probably had all kinds of scenarios worked through for how to deal with him depending on what deep end he went off. Advising Bajor not to enter the Federation was probably pretty mild to some stuff they feared. After all look what happened to Dukat when he started messing around with religion.
     
  11. Guy Gardener

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    Conjugal visits.

    If Ben wanted some of that fine chocolate ass, he had to go to prison, walking past the chain link fence with al the other female prisoners exercising in the yard cat calling him, and then politely wait in the communal sex trailer until the screws showed up with his girlfrend probably still handcuffed from the transit fully aware that it doesn't matter who he is, the security camera is not going to be turned off.

    Yes.

    How often did they write letters to each other.

    :)

    I saw the episode a few days ago.

    Cassady was unsure if Ben even wanted to talk to her ever again.

    She was nervous and was open tot he fact that he might immediately send her away.

    I doubt they had talked since her trial.

    It was a leap of faith that she went to see him, wishing that they could kick it off again.

    That kiss.

    That "hello" kiss scared the hell out of her.

    Becuase she was not expecting it.

    It's probably the complete opposite of the confrontation she expected which was yelling and closure.

    her ship must have been impounded.

    Her pilots licences would have been scrapped.

    And she never would have gotten a new contract with an ally of the Federation, or the Federation again if she did get a new ship.

    She would have been on a bunch of lists.

    Cassaday would not have been allowed in Ops without an armed escort.

    I really would have liked to have seen an episode explaining how much her life had changed post prison now that she was untrustworthy.

    Because logically all it seemed she had left that wasn't ashes was Ben Sisko.

    And if he hadn't been drunk when she showed up, he would have told her to go away.
     
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    To be fair she was hauling cargo for Bajor after she got out, and I guess she can staple Emissary's squeeze to her job application and get rubber stamped no matter what.

    It would have been nice to see her provide some closure to the Maquis arc at the very least as one of the "survivors" of the rebellion. Or even find out her motivations for doing it.
     
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    I would have liked to have seen something of his thought process during that year. How did he come to terms with her helping the Maquis, an organization he had absolutely no sympathy for? I'm wondering if he was looking towards the day of her release wondering if the relationship could be renewed. I kind of see him as compartmentalizing her and not dealing or thinking on those terms until she either showed up or the date of her release drew near.
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    Jake was happy that she was coming back. Then he says "Aren't you happy that she's coming back?"

    And papa just scowls and leaves the room.
     
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    Oh yeah.

    Definitely compartmentalized it. Too hard basket, get on with work and being the Emissary and.. oh shit a year's gone by and my motherless son is like, "DAD! UR WOMAN IS HERE!!"
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    He'd seen his mother die twice already.

    Allowing a third to wander off would have been bad form from Sisko senior.
     
  17. teacake

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    Plus, she likes baseball.
     
  18. R. Star

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    This is Kassidy's most attractive feature. ;)
     
  19. teacake

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    She does have a nice ass.
     
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    They will mention it again at the start of s4. ;)