Movies and tv series with realistic gunfights.

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Drago-Kazov, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Drago-Kazov

    Drago-Kazov Fleet Captain

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    I had enever been in a gunfight but as far ass i remember Generation Kill, The Wire and Hatfields and Mccoys HBO mini had the most realistic ones i had seen on scrren. A special shoutout for Tour of Duty season 1 too.

    I would like it if people who had seen actual combat as part of Law Enforcement or military would share their opinions. I don't dicriminate against gang-bangers and terrorists either.

    Are there any others? Am i right about the ones i listed?
     
  2. sojourner

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    The most realistic part of a gun fight I have seen was first season Hawaii 5-0. They actually had to stop and reload in the middle of the fight. Hatfields and McCoys wasn't HBO.
     
  3. Drago-Kazov

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    History Channel right. I forgot. Were all gunfights like that on Hawai 0 5?
     
  4. sojourner

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    5-0 hasn't had many drawn out gunfights like that since the pilot. I don't recall any other reloading scenes. They're way too busy with gratuitous smart phone scenes these days.
     
  5. Mister Fandango

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    I found the scenes in Reservoir Dogs rather believable, especially Mr. Pink when he stole the car.
     
  6. BruntFCA

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    Open Range was really good.
     
  7. Captaindemotion

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    I'm not expert but I thought the one in Heat (apparently co-ordinated by former SAS members) was pretty convincing.

    Of course, gunfights like those in Reservoir Dogs or The Wire, where people blaze away amateurishly and hit only at random or close range, are probably more like what happens in real life.
     
  8. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I've always wondered if Gun Kata, from Equilibrium, could ever be made to work in real life. That looks like a very cool way to pull off a gunfight!
     
  9. sojourner

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    ^Mythbusters did a "dodging bullets" episode. The short answer? no.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    ^ But gun kata isn't about dodging bullets that have already been fired. It's about never being where the bullets are going to be. It's about recognizing where your opponents will be - and therefore where they will shoot - and not being there in the first place. It's about getting out of the way BEFORE they shoot. That's the difference.
     
  11. Mister Fandango

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    Yeah, unless your brain happens to be an ultra powerful quantum computer that can account for every potential possibility and thus accurately predict the future, then no, gun kata from Equillibrium has zero chance of being even remotely possible.

    Slightly improve your chances of not getting shot? Maybe, if you have some amazing gift for reading situations and people. But no way in Hell anything like in the movie where you just stand in the middle of six highly skilled and trained gunmen and walk out unscathed. Repeatedly.
     
  12. sojourner

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    Especially against full auto machine guns.
     
  13. Harvey

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    The Wire was fairly realistic and unromantic in its depictions of gunfights. The episode "Stray Rounds" comes to mind.

    I think the gunfight in Tombstone comes the closest to the historical record, at least in terms of duration. Most of the versions of Wyatt Earp that I've seen have stretched out the battle into oblivion, when in fact it unfolded in less than a minute.
     
  14. Drago-Kazov

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    Stary Round s is the one in which a kid gets shot trough a window accidentally?
     
  15. Caliburn24

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    As an Iraq war combat veteran, I will say that Generation Kill is probably the onscreen depiction that comes closest to what I experienced.

    The thing that almost no movies or shows get right, is that people get freaking weird when bullets start flying, even professional soldiers. Because despite all that training no one really knows how they will react when bullets start whizzing by them for the first time.

    The grizzled Sergeant with 20 years in the service may freeze up, the hard-charging LT might start spraying wildly. And that high school drop-out Private who spends 300$ a weekend on booze and has never made over 30/40 on rifle qualification, suddenly becomes cool as a cucumber and starts dropping the enemy with snapshots at 200 meters.

    Real gunfights are wildly, wildly unpredictable, chaotic, and sloppy. And Hollywood rarely gets that right.
     
  16. BruntFCA

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    Appaloosa also had a very realistic gunfight in it.
     
  17. Drago-Kazov

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    Caliburn24
    Does that happen to veteran sergeants too who had seen more combat. No offense to anyone but seargeants today had probably seen much less combat then the ww2, Korea and Vietnam generations. Did the same thing happen to seargents who were veterans of bloody and long conflicts like WW2 and Vietnam?

    I know the US had been in Iraq and Afghanistan for long but as far as i know battles like the ones fought in ww2 are rare. Its more hit and run.
     
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  18. The Green Mushroom

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    So is it too late to say Raiders of the Lost Ark? Shoot the guy with the sword, move on to the next problem.
     
  19. Caliburn24

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    That question is really impossible for me(or anyone) to answer conclusively. But I can toss out a couple nuggets of information that might shed some light on it.

    1) Different specific figures get tossed around all the time. But the conventional wisdom is that only around 10-20% of US WW2 soldiers would fire at another human being when it came down to infantry warfare. In Vietnam that number supposedly climbed to 40-50%, and in the modern US Army army it is supposedly around 75%. The changes are largely due to changes in training(man-shaped pop-up targets for rifle qualification etc), and the fact that we have moved to an all volunteer Army. The guys volunteering for Combat Arms, in theory, should have no mental or emotional issues with killing other people.

    2) Back during WW2, US Army sergeants were promoted by their units. Nowadays there is a centralized promotion board. What this means is that sergeants today play the game, get their promotion points, their correspondence courses, sundry other things, and get promoted according to a fairly set time-table. Sergeants in the old days were promoted because of merit(or favoritism, take your pick), meaning that those soldiers who demonstrated courage and leadership under fire could immediately get promoted by their respective Battalion or Regimental officers. Which of course would more rapidly allow the US to field a battlehardened corps of NCOs.

    3) But yes. US(heck all armies I'm sure) soldiers, from the lowest private, to grizzled sergeants, to officers of all ranks have frozen up in all our wars. It isn't recorded or really mentioned in the academic historical books, or journalism of the periods, but read the personal accounts and biographies of combat soldiers and you'll see exactly what I am talking about.

    In Audie Murphy's To Hell and Back for example, there are several cases of soldiers of various ranks freezing up in the midst of combat.
     
  20. Locutus of Bored

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    The Way of the Gun, written and directed by Christopher McQuarrie, the writer of The Usual Suspects. McQuarrie's brother, a former SEAL, choreographed all the gunfights in the film, hence the high level of realism in what was otherwise a comedy/action/drama.

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