MLB Offseason 2012

Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by Mr. Laser Beam, Oct 30, 2012.

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  1. Scout101

    Scout101 Admiral Admiral

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    Just push back on the urge to be so inclusive with the Hall of Fame. Supposed to be the best of the best, not the Hall of Very Good, nice players. Being decent for a long time is great, but is it Hall of Fame worthy? I'd come down on the side of NO.

    Doen't mean I think they suck, and that they weren't great players, good for their teams,etc. Just not the best of all time.
     
  2. Timby

    Timby LIKE LIGHTNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING Administrator

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    Right. If we put every hitter who was better than Tommy McCarthy or Jim Rice, every pitcher who was better than Jesse Haines or Waite Hoyt, and every executive who was better than Bowie Kuhn in the Hall of Fame, there would be a thousand people in there. When you reach that point, it becomes really hard to parse the difference between guys as you start lowering the line, because there are more players at each level as the quality gets closer to average. Then you're going to make even more mistakes and eventually Denny Neagle is in the Hall and my head explodes.
     
  3. J.T.B.

    J.T.B. Rear Admiral Premium Member

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    Agreed, IBB numbers show the "fear" pretty clearly. The "marketing" of Rice's candidacy was a sharp contrast to his Red Sox contemporary Dwight Evans. I'm not saying Dewey should go in, either, but in totality his offense numbers are pretty impressive and he sustained them well into his 30s. I hate to say it, as a Red Sox fan from childhood, but the team has had a racism rep for a long time and its HoF contingent looks pretty white. I have to wonder.

    Yeah, if the criteria are "more than just stats," what are they? Is that a door we really want opened?
     
  4. Timby

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    Nationals sign Rafael Soriano.

    That pitching staff has officially progressed to "sick."
     
  5. Use of Time

    Use of Time Commodore Commodore

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    So my brother is friends with the Upton brothers because he played high school baseball with Justin. They were all hanging out last week here in Virginia Beach and he was telling me that B.J. spent five minutes in Atlanta and didn't want to go anywhere else. I just hope he behaves himself.
     
  6. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Brian Wilson to...Mets? Linky

    God knows, the bullpen could use somebody like him.
     
  7. SmoothieX

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    I read the Mets want nothing to do with him. Dude's a head case coming off tommy John surgery.
     
  8. Use of Time

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    Michael Morse to the Mariners. Strange.
     
  9. Tom Hendricks

    Tom Hendricks There's a- a peck here with an acorn pointed at me Premium Member

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    Looks like MLB will institute the new balk rule voted on in 2012 and the Players Association vetoed. The Third to First step-off will now be a balk. While I agree with it being a balk, I wish they would add the Step Towards First as well. Usually left handers who raise their leg and then step towards First, catching runners breaking on motion. I think that all "pick-offs" should require Stepping Off the rubber.

    Another little tidbit is teams will be able to add additional coach, an interpreter and this coach can visit the mound with the Manager. Now when the Manager yells at the Pitcher to just thrown the fucking ball, the non-english speaking Pitcher will understand.
     
  10. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Earl Weaver has died. Linky
     
  11. Tom Hendricks

    Tom Hendricks There's a- a peck here with an acorn pointed at me Premium Member

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    Just saw this myself. I always liked him as a manager, will be missed.
     
  12. Timby

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    Earl Weaver was ahead of his time. He understood that outs were precious, and stealing / bunting were giving up outs. In a way, he pioneered Moneyball.

    For any baseball fans in general, I highly recommend picking up Palmer and Weaver: Together We Were Eleven Foot Nine by Jim Palmer and Jim Dale, which discusses Palmer's career with the Orioles and hundreds of his interactions with Earl.

     
  13. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    And now Stan "The Man" Musial has passed.

    Story
     
  14. Timby

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    Phillies sign Delmon Young.

    Oh, Ruben Amaro, I love you and you are the gift that never stops giving, please continue your fine tradition of "Rube gonna rube."
     
  15. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Oh God, not this shit again... Linky

    :barf:
     
  16. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Well, it shows our outfield is shit. In spite of the off the field issues, he's still a low risk player (one year, 750,000). And his competition isn't heads and shoulders better. I think it makes sense.
     
  17. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    C'mon, those aren't as bad as the old Astros uniforms....at least that's something.

    Plus the throwup version has a belt, so it won't be as easy to pull a Steve Lyons.
     
  18. Timby

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    The problem is that the Phillies already have their quota of "longshot right-handed no-defense corner outfielders who probably shouldn't start" filled, and that there's an actual chance that both of those players will in fact start a significant number of games. There's also Rube's inexplicable hatred of Dom Brown, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

    In any event, the Phillies might actually have the worst defense in baseball, now. I mean, their infield:

    1B: Ryan Howard
    2B: The deceased remains of Chase Utley
    3B: Michael Young
    SS: Jimmy Rollins

    Their outfield is Delmon Young, Ben Revere, and who the fuck cares -- even if you had Mike Trout out there, that defense is going to give up so many unearned runs.

    The infield alone might be the worst infield in recent memory, even worse than Cabrera, Fielder, Peralta, and Raburn. The Phillies have basically 3 DHs and they're starting them all in the field. This is going to be amazing.

    There's also that whole "FUCKING JEWS!" thing with Young. I mean, I'd understand interest in Young if he were "just" a horrible human but still had redeeming qualities as a player. But he's almost as bad a player as he is a person, so what the fuck could Rube possibly see in him? The Mariners kicked the tires on him and decided to pass, for heaven's sake.
     
  19. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    My only point is that, in the past, the scary thing is that Amaro bets the farm on players with huge contracts or by trading key prospects. This isn't that. They can cut him if they wanted to without many adverse consequences the second someone else is clearly better or he starts becoming a distraction.
     
  20. Timby

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    Rube went full retard, outside of the AAV. It's just that "Delmon Young is an awful person" and "Delmon Young is an awful baseball player," and that decision will have to be made in a 2013 in which Young is projected to be the everyday RF, so it's hard to understand what on Earth the Phillies were thinking with this move. I cannot see any good way in which this ends well for the Phillies.
     
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