MLB Discussion - 2012 Season

Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by tomalak301, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Admiral Premium Member

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    Make that 4 shutouts by this Giants pitching staff. Incredible.
     
  2. SmoothieX

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    ^We have a common enemy this weekend, the Dodgers.

    (Resident Mets fan here)
     
  3. tomalak301

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    Well, the streak ended on the first pitch but it was fun while it lasted.
     
  4. Hau’oli Lanui

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    I'm now prepared to say RA Dickey should be the starting pitcher for the National League for the All-Star Game. Another brilliant performance last night, 3 Hits over 8 innings with 10 strike out, 1 walk and no runs. He's the first pitcher to 12 wins, probably only one more start before the ASG. So unless something disasterous happens, he should be the starting pitcher.
     
  5. SmoothieX

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    I loves me some Dickey!

    Wait that sounds wrong.

    A power kncukleballer, where the fuck did that come from? 1 hit batsmen and 1 wild pitch all year, that's wild. First in wins, second in K's, third in ERA, as a 37 year old converted knuckler off the scrap heap. I'm biased as a Mets fan, I'll put that right out there, but he deserves it.

    Sadly it's still Santana and Dickey and pray for rain. Gee, Niese, and Young inspire nothing but indigestion with me. IF they could pick up an arm before the deadline, I think they could contend for a wild card.
     
  6. Starbreaker

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    Hell, I hate the Mets, but R.A. deserves the start. Anything to help the NL win.
     
  7. Tiny Timby

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    Wins are an absolutely worthless statistic for a pitcher, but Dickey deserves some consideration for the start, since his peripherals have been pretty great thus far. Brandon Beachy and Madison Bumgarner have to be in the mix, though, too.
     
  8. Hau’oli Lanui

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    RA Dickey probably won't be the deciding pitcher, who ever is pitching later in the game most likely will.

     
  9. Hau’oli Lanui

    Hau’oli Lanui See where the sky meets the sea, It calls me Premium Member

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    I totally agree with you about wins as a measure for a pitcher, so I always use WHIP. As of last night here are the top 10 pitchers based on WHIP.


    RK Player Team W L ERA G GS SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG WHIP▲
    1 Dickey, R NYM 12 1 2.15 16 16 0 0 113.0 75 29 27 9 25 116 .190 0.88
    2 Cain, M SF 9 3 2.53 16 16 0 0 113.2 85 36 32 10 23 114 .207 0.95
    3 Beachy, B ATL 5 5 2.00 13 13 0 0 81.0 49 24 18 6 29 68 .171 0.96
    4 McDonald, J PIT 7 3 2.44 15 15 0 0 96.0 68 28 26 6 26 86 .200 0.98
    5 Miley, W ARI 9 3 2.19 15 12 0 0 90.1 73 25 22 4 18 64 .216 1.01
    6 Dempster, R CHC 3 3 2.11 12 12 0 0 81.0 61 21 19 6 22 66 .204 1.02
    7 Kershaw, C LAD 5 4 2.74 16 16 0 0 108.1 86 36 33 11 27 103 .221 1.04
    8 Strasburg, S WSH 9 2 2.60 15 15 0 0 90.0 71 29 26 6 23 118 .217 1.04
    9 Bumgarner, M SF 10 4 2.85 16 16 0 0 110.2 95 40 35 10 22 92 .229 1.06
    10 Hamels, C PHI 10 3 3.03 15 15 0 0 104.0 87 38 35 11 25 106 .228 1.08


     
  10. Tiny Timby

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    WHIP is a nice top-line statistic, but it isn't the be-all and end-all -- at the end of the day, any hit that isn't a home run still has some measure of involvement from the defense. Dickey is actually beaten, by a semi-significant amount, in dERA by Strasburg, Greinke and Gio Gonzalez (which is odd, as knuckleballers traditionally have lower dERA than traditional pitchers), and he's got an unsustainable BABIP (same problem with Beachy).

    I'm not saying that Dickey isn't having a lights-out season -- on the contrary, he absolutely is. I'm just pointing out that he isn't an incontrovertible choice to start in the ASG. Shit, if Ryan Dempster were on a team that wasn't an absolute dumpster fire this season, he'd be in the conversation, too.
     
  11. Starbreaker

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    Beachy had Tommy John surgery. Highly unlikely he's going to be on the all-star team.
     
  12. Tiny Timby

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    Yeah, I was going by straight numbers. I don't follow the Braves, so I only saw the news about Beachy like a week and a half ago on Twitter and quickly forgot about it.
     
  13. tomalak301

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    After Matt Cain's perfect game, I would have said Cain be the All Star Starter, but I kind of hope it's Dickey. He deserves it, and it's not just with the wins. He's making everyone (Other than the Yankees) look really foolish at the plate. Heck, considering Cain has been struggling recently, I wouldn't mind if I didn't go and have Bumgarner go instead.
     
  14. Starbreaker

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    I'd pick

    AL:

    Chris Sale
    Jered Weaver
    C.J. Wilson
    Justin Verlander
    David Price
    Jim Johnson
    Fernando Rodhey
    Chris Perez

    NL:

    R.A. Dickey
    Ryan Dempster
    Gio Gonzalez
    Madison Bumgarner
    AJ Burnett
    Tyler Clippard
    Craig Kimbrel
    Joel Hanrahan
     
  15. SmoothieX

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    Dickey and Santana and pray for rain.

    They need a another solid starter and a right handed bat.
     
  16. Starbreaker

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    A lot of good pitchers got shafted for popular players.
     
  17. tomalak301

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    Despite being a Giants fan, I'm questioning Sandoval starting over David Wright. I can understand him being a reserve, but I don't think he has the production (Not to mention he was injured for a month) that Wright does. Also, what the hell is Josh Reddick not doing in the ASG. That's really surprising to me.
     
  18. Ríu ríu chíu

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    Yankees acquire...Chad Qualls?
     
  19. SmoothieX

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    Better start the parade planning now...

    I think the Thome to the O's was a good move. He's a DH at this point and it makes little sense to see him on an NL team.
     
  20. Ríu ríu chíu

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    Is there something about Dodger Stadium that causes teams to make errors? Because this last Mets/Dodgers series had a bucketful. :brickwall: