Missing Files from the Romulan War

[VulcanMindBlown]

Do you think that they will ever fill in the gaps between the Michael A. Martin Star Trek: Enterprise: The Romulan War? I heard from a comment here that they had to rush it into two novels instead of more. It would be nice to read about more battles. There is a lot of lost time in between the chapters.

 

[JD]

Given the reaction the books seemed to get around here, I don't know there would be enough interest to do something like that.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

The biggest flaw of the Romulan War books was, I feel, the author - Michael A. Martin is a good world builder, but his characterizations tend to fall flat. If they did like an anthology or something, it might work better - let different writers play to their strengths and in a small page count.

Granted, I don't know the realistic odds of doing that - they made anthologies back around the 40th anniversary, but in the ten years since, the publishing model has changed and dropped from two books published per month to one, and I'm not sure how well anthologies sell. But I would be interested in one for like Enterprise's fifteenth or something to that effect.

 

[VulcanMindBlown]

Given the reaction the books seemed to get around here, I don't know there would be enough interest to do something like that.

Did they not sell?

The biggest flaw of the Romulan War books was, I feel, the author - Michael A. Martin is a good world builder, but his characterizations tend to fall flat. If they did like an anthology or something, it might work better - let different writers play to their strengths and in a small page count.

What do you mean? ...You didn't like the characters???

 

[Reanok]

Spoiler: Romulan war spoiler

One of the scenes I wondered about was Trip surviving in a lifepod that was supposed to have exploded And who rescued Trip after escaped a Romulan warbird. And T'Pol being Injured and not being able to sense Trip through their mental bond. I wish that story plot had been resolved in the final book

When it comes to Micheal A. Martin's dropped Romulan war books combined into one final novel that was allowed to be published. I'm curious of what the storylines would've been like if he'd been allowed to have both books as he originally intended novels to end. There were some intriguing story scenes in the last Romulan war novel I've wondered about when I read it again a few years s ago.

 

[Avro Arrow]

^ Yeah, Michael A. Martin isn't my favourite author, but that second volume felt way too compressed and rushed, so it would have been nice to get the full three volumes as originally planned.

 

[Jinn]

^ Yeah, Michael A. Martin isn't my favourite author, but that second volume felt way too compressed and rushed, so it would have been nice to get the full three volumes as originally planned.

<Fun Fact>Due to Enterprise selling bad in Germany and to actually get any profit from it the price would have to be 22€, instea of the usual 12-14€, so they splitted it into two parts. So there actually are three volumes, but only in the German version. And they are still compressed and rushed, since it was only a translation... But still, we got a trilogy. The bad selling of Enterprise was also the reason for Christopher's Enterprise novels aren't going to be published as "Star Trek: Enterprise - Rise of the Federation" novels but rather as Star Trek: Rise of the Federation".</Fun Fact>

 

[Avro Arrow]

Due to Enterprise selling bad in Germany and to actually get any profit from it the price would have to be 22€, instea of the usual 12-14€, so they splitted it into two parts. So there actually are three volumes, but only in the German version. And they are still compressed and rushed, since it was only a translation... But still, we got a trilogy.

What did they use for the title of the extra book? The English title of the other volume was supposed to be In Shariel's Jaws.

The bad selling of Enterprise was also the reason for Christopher's Enterprise novels aren't going to be published as "Star Trek: Enterprise - Rise of the Federation" novels but rather as Star Trek: Rise of the Federation".

At least you're getting them, and that's what's important!

 

[Jinn]

What did they use for the title of the extra book?

We got the veeery creative titles "Unter den Schwingen des Raubvogels I" and "Unter den Schwingen des Raubvogels II" which translate to "Beneath the Raptor's Wing I" and "Beneath the Raptor's Wing II". While it isn't that unique it is precise.

At least you're getting them, and that's what's important!

Actually the fact that they are going to be released in Germany is the only reason I bought the previous installments. And the DVD Box. If gotta admit that I'm not that much of an Enterprise fan, after my first time watching it I even hated it.That was mainly due to the third season and that the only characters I liked were Phlox and Hoshi. And since Hoshi didn't have that many important roles I was mainly left with Phlox. The worst part about season 3, for me, was however that I completely ignored the fourth season and while technically watching it didn't pay attention to it but rather played Pokémon on the DS, which IMO still was a better story than season 3. However after rewatching season 4 i've gotta admit I really liked it, especially the final episodes (not counting These are the Voyages) about Terra Prime which reminded me of some current political movements in Germany who sounded just like the Terra Prime leaders speech to the workers on the moon, just replace 'alien' with 'muslim' and 'Earth' with 'Germany' and its practically the same thing.

Also I swear I have no idea how this became a mini-review about Enterprise and german politic stuff.

 

[Avro Arrow]

We got the veeery creative titles "Unter den Schwingen des Raubvogels I" and "Unter den Schwingen des Raubvogels II" which translate to "Beneath the Raptor's Wing I" and "Beneath the Raptor's Wing II". While it isn't that unique it is precise.

That's great!

However after rewatching season 4 i've gotta admit I really liked it, especially the final episodes (not counting These are the Voyages)

Don't worry, most people don't count "These Are the Voyages"...

I liked Enterprise, and really liked season four. I was very disappointed that the show got cancelled right when it was producing my favourite season so far.

 

[Jinn]

Don't worry, most people don't count "These Are the Voyages"...

I don't think that it was that bad, but it certainly didn't feel right as the last episode. The generell concept IMO is intruiging as long as it is made clear that all of Enterprise isn't a holonovel played by Riker.

I was very disappointed that the show got cancelled right when it was producing my favourite season so far.

I agree, I think Enterprise season 4 was the closest thing that Star Trek had to a "perfect" season. I really liked all of the episodes, save for the Augment related ones. Also it finally did what Enterprise was intended to be and do some prequel stuff, like the Organians, Romulan War setup why the Klingons look like humans and dealt with racism. Hell it even did a complete Mirror Universe two-parter with a special intro. Come to speak of the intro, I liked the original version. It was something new but I liked it.I wasn't a fan of the season 3 & 4 version.

 

[Christopher]

The bad selling of Enterprise was also the reason for Christopher's Enterprise novels aren't going to be published as "Star Trek: Enterprise - Rise of the Federation" novels but rather as Star Trek: Rise of the Federation".

That sentence was scaring me until I got to the end. As long as they still get published, I'm cool. In fact, Star Trek: Rise of the Federation is what I would've preferred them to be called.

 

[Idran]

Same in re: the Enterprise intro, Jinn; I loved the progression of history it represented. And in fact, I'm even going to come out and say this: Despite all the hate and/or mockery towards it elsewhere, I like "Faith of the Heart" as a Trek theme. It was the perfect message for what the show was trying to be.

 

[Jinn]

Same in re: the Enterprise intro, Jinn; I loved the progression of history it represented. And in fact, I'm even going to come out and say this: Despite all the hate and/or mockery towards it elsewhere, I like "Faith of the Heart" as a Trek theme. It was the perfect message for what the show was trying to be.

I agree. The Enterprise intro was the only one I didn't skip while watching an episode. However after hearing it like 50 times it felt like it would fit better to Henry Archer rather than his son. Especially "I will see my dream come alive at least" as well as "They're not gonna hold me down no more". Don't get me wrong these lines still work with Captain Archer but IMO they seem to fit better with Henry.

 

[Christopher]

And in fact, I'm even going to come out and say this: Despite all the hate and/or mockery towards it elsewhere, I like "Faith of the Heart" as a Trek theme. It was the perfect message for what the show was trying to be.

Yeah... I think I was actually surprised to learn it wasn't written for the show, since it so perfectly encapsulates the guiding mentality of Jonathan Archer and Starfleet at the start of the series.

What gets me is how some people objected, not to the specific song, but to the very idea of giving a Trek series a pop-song theme rather than an orchestral theme. Which overlooks the fact that the TOS theme was itself very much in the style of the popular music of the day, a pastiche of "Beyond the Blue Horizon" with a bossa nova rhythm line (and actually had lyrics written for it, though purely as a cash grab by Roddenberry).

I also never really understood people's reasons for disliking "Faith of the Heart," since they generally seemed to boil down to it belonging to an older style that was no longer in fashion. I've never seen what fashion had to do with quality. If something was good in the past, there's no reason it shouldn't still be good in the present.

 

[JD]

I think it fit really well with the show.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

What do you mean? ...You didn't like the characters???

It's an 'in general' feeling I get from his writing. I find that he doesn't really do so well with advancing the characters, that they just kind of spin their wheels and stay put in terms of where they are in their character arcs and evolution. Admittedly, it might just be his work on Titan that has left me that impression, since those are fresher in my mind than his Enterprise novels, but on Titan, an in-universe two or three years had passed since the first novel, and it felt like most of the characters were just going over the same character beats in each story, not going anywhere beyond where they were when they were first introduced.

 

[Jinn]

but on Titan, an in-universe two or three years had passed since the first novel, and it felt like most of the characters were just going over the same character beats in each story, not going anywhere beyond where they were when they were first introduced.

That's why I think that a series works better if it has more novels set in a short amount of time so that you don't have to make radical changes to the characters that may be realistic in-universe but feel strange since the readers missed the half year between two novels.

 

[VulcanMindBlown]

I still liked them, they made Star Trek: Enterprise fit into the canon.