Members of the Federation.

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  1. Markonian

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    The Fortrans from The Klingon Art of War, are they full members or a protectorate? I didn't get a clear vibe from the source.
     
  2. Hando

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    They first appeared in the "100-Page Winter Spectacular" comic and the Klingons there say that Fortra was made a Federation protectorate in 2267.
     
  3. Markonian

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    Cool. Thanks for digging that up!
     
  4. Hando

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    Thank you.

    Centrelis I see now what the problem with this one is. Could be either way, although I have to ask before they joined the Federation did they pay anything to the Tholians? Or is this just due to a treaty between the Federation and the Tholians?

    Matern cannot say.

    Tygar if you remember the source please share with us.

    Cyreli I would say they are members.

    Zarin a race, but no indication if they are in any way associated with the Federation, a group of them is taking martial arts lessons.

    From the same trilogy: Regara (I would say members the same as with Cyreli, if one then so is the other) and Arcturan (?identified as independent)

    Thelusia yes a Thelusian with a Human ex-spouse, but no indication of membership.
     
  5. Deranged Nasat

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    Fortunately, varying depictions have already necessitated the existence of two planets Arcturus. The first, at the actual star Arcturus, is the Arcturian homeworld and a member of the Federation; the second, located near the Triborder, is a seedy trading world explicitly neutral in galactic affairs; I assume the Arcturans in Vulcan's Soul are from there (and they'd definitely have an interest in Federation-Romulan-Klingon relations, being on the Triborder and all).
     
  6. Markonian

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    Do we have a name for the state of
    the Arkenites? Until now, Rise of the Federation provided neat names for the member states but we didn't get one for the Arkenites.
    Do any of the old 80s RPGs or books provide a designation?
     
  7. Enterprise1701

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    Star Charts has Betazed as also being referred to as Beta Zeta V. And Myriad Universes - The Tears of Eridanus mentions a Gorn attack on Beta Zeta V, a survivor of which taught alternate Amanda Grayson defense against telepathic intrusion. I think it's safe to assume, though, that "Betazed" is not the native name of the planet. Given their level of technological development and the highly social nature of Betazoid culture, they most likely had an agreed-upon planet name by the time of Federation contact.
     
  8. Idran

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    Just managed to find a reference that narrows down the entry of the Deltan Union into the Federation a little further. In Genesis Wave, Book 1, it's mentioned that a Starfleet outpost was constructed on one of the moons of Seran on the then-edge of Federation space "over two centuries ago", placing it some time in the late 2160s/early 2170s. 30 years later, Starfleet gave permission to colonize the planet after ensuring it was empty of high-level life, and "the Camorites had been first, followed by Deltans, Saurians, and others". That seems to imply to me that the Deltan Union must've joined some time between the recently-portrayed first contact in 2165 and the late 2190s/early 2200s, as I don't see any reason why there'd have been a wait if they hadn't yet been members.

    That also seems to confirm that the Camorites from "Bloodlines" are also Federation members, and fairly early ones at that.
     
  9. Christopher

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    ^I don't think it follows that the Deltans and Saurians had to be Federation members. Maybe the Camorites' colonization of the world made it more inviting -- through the establishment of cities, the taming of nature, the development of resources and trade -- and non-Federation cultures began to trade with and travel to the colony, and that led to some of them starting to live there.

    Star Charts says the Deltans joined in 2223, but it also says they weren't warp-capable until then, and that doesn't fit the novels.
     
  10. Idran

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    Ah, that is a good point, yeah; that would make just as much sense. And yeah, that seems to often be the case for datapoints introduced by Star Charts outside the maps.
     
  11. Sci

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    Just a bit of headcannon/speculation, but:

    I'm reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy. I'm towards the end of Book II, Green Mars, but I just skipped ahead read a piece from the short story collection The Martians, which is set after the trilogy.

    Robinson has a fully-developed Constitution of Mars with commentary in The Martians. In it, the newly-independent Mars is governed by:

    • A Congress with two houses:

      [*]The Duma, composed of 500 members selected every Martian year by lottery, meeting twice a Martian year, and​

      [*]The Senate, composed of one senator from every settlement with more than three thousand people, elected under the instant run-off voting system, in permanent session​

      [*]The Executive Council, comprised of seven members elected by the Duma every two Martian years, with one Councillor acting as Council President but not given meaningful power over the Council; rather, the Council as a whole serves as the head of state and head of government collectively, and must make all decisions collectively.

      [*]Two Global Courts, the Environmental Court and the Constitutional Court, whose members are elected by the Senate, the Executive Council, and the people at large, and who have authority over exactly what their names say they have authority over, with a Reconciliation Board appointed as needed by the Executive Council to resolve any conflicts in judgments between the two Global Courts.

    Now, The Romulan War: Beneath the Raptor's Wing seems to establish that the Martian legislature has two names: the "Governing Council" and the "Assembly." But, what if "Governing Council" is actually a tip of the hat to Robinson's book, and it's actually a collective head of state?

    Mind, if I were Grand High Potentate of All Star Trek, I'd just say that Mars doesn't have a President or Prime Minister, it has an Executive Council, as a nod to the Mars trilogy. But that's just me. :)
     
  12. Deranged Nasat

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    A pleasing little detail from Sacraments of Fire: Vestios, introduced as a member of the Federation in Burning Dreams, receives its first mention outside of that novel, with previously named Federation Councillor Agreho confirmed as Vestios' representative.
     
  13. Unimatrix Q

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    Are the Xindi Members of the 24th Century Federation? What do you think?
     
  14. Idran

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    A Xindi-Reptilian was shown as Federation Secretary of Science and Space Exploration in "Meet with Triumph and Disaster", so it's likely. "Federation: The First 150 Years" has them as joining by 2311, though it's not really officially part of Treklit; not too incompatible though, I believe?

    Edit: Whoops, remembered her title wrong.
     
  15. Christopher

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    That depends. The First 150 Years is incompatible with the novelverse in pretty much all the sections pertaining to wars (Eugenics, WWIII, Earth-Romulan, "Errand of Mercy" Klingon), in the early UFP era that I cover in Rise of the Federation, in the events surrounding the Khitomer Conference, and in a few other details; but the rest of it deals with areas the novels don't address (or with canonical material), so there's no major conflict in those parts. I've referenced a few bits from it in the past couple of ROTF books, even though they conflict in other ways.
     
  16. Unimatrix Q

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    It would be great to have a novel about them joining the federation or about their relationship with the federation!
     
  17. Markonian

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    Ktaria is referenced in Atonement. Has it been established anywhere that the Ktarians and/or their world is a member of the Federation, aside from Seven's ambiguous line in "The Voyager Conspiracy"?

    And is that planet anywhere in the Star Charts? I only have the scanned copy of the atlas, and it is hard to discern.

    Edit: first contact is made in 2270 by the Enterprise when they explore the sector outside of SB25, which is in the Alpha Quadrant. (Allegiance in Exile)
     
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  18. Tracy Trek

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    I didn't read the whole list in the first post. So are the founding members of the Federation Earth, Alpha Centauri, Vulcan, Andor, and Tellar? Any other founders?
     
  19. Idran

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    Nope, just those 5. And technically it's not the individual planets, but the interstellar nations that those five planets are the centers of. So, for example, Luna's part of the founding nation of United Earth, so Luna was part of the Federation from the start as well. Or Alrond coming in with the Andorian Empire.

    The five founding nations are officially United Earth, the Confederacy of Vulcan, the Andorian Empire, the United Planets of Tellar, and the Alpha Centauri Concordium. There's a more complete list in generally-chronological order of joining here.
     
  20. KlavsPrieditis

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    Thank you! It was a very good idea to post it here) I even didn`t read all, but now I`ll print it..;)