Matt Smith's Departure Confirmed.

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  1. Allyn Gibson

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    The Atlantic took a look at Moffat's gender politics in Who a few months ago, and they chart it going back to "The Girl in the Fireplace." I think part of the problem is that Moffat's characters are more plot puzzles than characters.
     
  2. DalekJim

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    They don't punch or slap each other. Women hit the men and it's just meant to be funny and acceptable. In a show that is otherwise incredibly preachy about morals, it rubs me up the wrong way entirely seeing the hypocrisy on display.

    "Make the foundation of this society the man THAT NEVER WOULD... stand up for himself."
     
  3. beamMe

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    You act as if this were a DW-staple.
     
  4. DalekJim

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    What? In New Who it inarguably is. Hell, the companion's mother slapping The Doctor was a dumb recurring gag in the RTD era.
     
  5. beamMe

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    I can't think of a moment where the Doctor didn't have it coming. I'm surprised that Rory didn't deck him regularly.

    The Doctor can be an arse, he surrounds himself with women - of course they kick him in nuts from time to time, deservedly so.
     
  6. DalekJim

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    Wow. Well uh, we have very different attitudes towards what behaviour deserves physical violence as a response.
     
  7. Count Zero

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    It seems I've been watching a different show than some people here. When did a woman hit a man? I honestly can't remember any of those scenes.
     
  8. Starkers

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    And when Rory punches the Doctor? Or when the Doctor does actually deserve it? (snogging Jenny being case in point) what about then?
     
  9. sj4iy

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    You're taking this way too seriously. It's a tv show, not the next door neighbors. People get away with all sorts of things on tv that they don't get away with in real life. People should be smart enough to know that they shouldn't emulate what they see on tv. I'm not going to start blaming entertainment for problems in the real world, and I'm not going to strip down entertainment because of it. If I see it in a comedic moment on tv, I laugh. If I see someone abusing someone in front of me on the street, I call the cops. It's that simple. I'm not confusing one with the other.
     
  10. DalekJim

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    Never happened apparently. Best to move on with the thread.
     
  11. Timby

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    Holy shit.

    Holy holy holy shit.

    Stop posting this crap. Full stop, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
     
  12. chelly

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    Can I say I disagree with Dalekjim. Everyone keeps leaving my quote in there so I figure I would just say this once. Nor do I want to be part of a on going annoying bitchfest.
     
  13. DalekJim

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    What forum rule have I broken exactly? Not being difficult, would just like to know as it felt like I was just expressing a minority opinion?

    Wouldn't it be better if people just debated my points instead of just telling me to shut up? Or maybe I'm being completely unreasonable here?
     
  14. Mr Awe

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    Strange, you must've been watching a different show than. The Doctor Who series I've been watching has never been better!

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  15. Mr Awe

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    Agreed, that's my one complaint with the most recent series.

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  16. chelly

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    If he were to regenerate maybe he will become a redhead finally. I saw someone mention Rupert Grint (ron weasley) in one of the Doctor Who facebook page. He was not bad in Harry Potter (which probably would elminate him for Doctor Who since he would be well known) movies, even though they make Ron more of a punch line then anything else.

    I do like the idea of using an unknown (well not widely known) for doctor who.

    So do we actually know that he is leaving during the christmas special or is he going to have some episodes in 2014? I will miss him so much. : )
     
  17. sidious618

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    I'd love a female Doctor but I don't think Moffat is particularly adept at writing for women. RTD's women companions tended to be much better developed and well-rounded. Moffat's women all act in the exact same way which gets grating from time to time. I really enjoy Moffat's writing but his writing for women tends to be a flaw.

    No idea about this women mistreating men in Doctor Who, though. If anything, the Doctor seems to mistreat them considering how they often come to rather negative ends...
     
  18. Ghost Bones

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    Yep, that's how New Who (and probably modern TV culture in general) views how women ought to be. Remember in The Eleventh Hour when Rory was like "Aren't you going to turn around?" to Amy while the Doctor was changing his clothes and she said "Och aye, nooo! Ahm takin' a wee look at his winkie!" If the gender roles were reversed there'd be big complaints, but instead we were clearly meant to think "What a sassy likeable female character!" River Song was exactly the same character. Clara probably would have been if she'd been given a whole personality.
     
  19. bryce

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    Oh yeah, that's definitely a double-standard - if the genders had been reversed, people would have called the peeping male "a creep" and "a potential rapist". Though there was kinda a comparable scene with reversed-genders in the new Star Trek movie, with Carol Marcus changing in front of Kirk, and I don't know if there were a lot of complaints about Kirk being a creep - but it wouldn't surprise me if there were. Another possible double standard is all the complaints about the near-nudity in that scene - when male characters in the nuTrek movies have been near-naked, and there were no complaints.

    But there are double-standards and twisted standards in the media and popular culture that effect both sexes. In fact, the complaints about the Carol Marcus scene in Trek, but not about any of the half-naked male scenes, may be a bit of a double standard...but the fact that Hollywood thinks that all female main characters have to be "sexy", and look good in their skivvies, is a bit of a sexist and unfair standard to hold women too. Hell, that whole scene in Into Darkness was a bit...gratuitous...and was obviously put there to titillate, appeal to and attract the young male audience.

    I don't think you can say that the media and popular culture have been more or less fair to one sex than they have been to the other sex.

    ANYWAY, I'd be cool with a female Doctor...if just to see the part of the fanbase that includes people like DalekJim and all the others that just can't STAND the idea of a female Doctor go ballistic. All those people who swear LOUDLY that they will "NEVER WATCH DOCTOR WHO AGAIN IF THE DOCTOR BECOMES FEMALE!!!" - good riddance to 'em!

    Seriously, what's wrong with a female Doctor. It would probably be only for one regeneration anyway. And if it didn't work out - well, it's Doctor Who, they can just regenerate the actress back out of the part.

    It just seems like a...childish and immature detail to complain about.
     
  20. DalekJim

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    What are you talking about? Doctor Who is my favourite show and I have at no point threatened to quit watching.

    I don't think Moffat would write her well. I've explained it a bunch of times. I just don't see how it's worth the risk, how it really adds to the character, or how it is anything but a corny gimmick and a patronising attempt at political correctness. If that makes me sexist then so be it. I act the same when people request a female James Bond. I just don't get liberals a lot of the time.

    Nobody of consequence is offended by The Doctor being male. Why cater to those that are? Why aim the show at such people? Why?
     

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