Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjegglebells, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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  1. bbjegglebells

    bbjegglebells Admiral Admiral

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    Keanu Reeves doesn't sound that bad.
     
  2. Hartzilla2007

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    Cap's powers were pretty tame, in fact in the MCU it's seems until New York, Iron Man was the wierdest thing people had seen.

    Whereas over in the X-men film series in timeline A, 2006 saw Magneto moving the fricking Golden Gate Bridge to Alcatraz Island followed by a major super powered battle where Jean Grey vaporized people, and timeline B had him dumping a baseball stadium around the Whitehouse in 1973.

    And that's forgeting that mutants in the first film (which the film timeline buts in the early 2000s) were well known enough for a Mutant Registration Act to be considered by Congress.

    Not to mention that in Agents of Shield flat say the existence of psychics hasn't been proven in the MCU yet, while in the X-men films the U.S. government has known about Charles Xavier since 1963 and a U.S. Senator acknowledges the existence of telepathic mutants in the first movie.
     
  3. Masiral

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    But did the general public know about his superpowers? My impression was that he was just considered a propaganda poster boy, fighting the good fight against the evil Nazis.
     
  4. CaptainCanada

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    His superpowers were the reason he was a poster boy (hence, for instance, his stage involving him holding three women on a motorcycle aloft).
     
  5. Reverend

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    I think Cap's abilities were a lot more...believable (for lack of a better term) even from a 1940's perspective. I mean he basically has an enhanced metabolism and increased muscle density. Those are already existing human abilities that have been greatly enhanced through science.

    That's quite a bit different than things like telepathy, teleportation, flying under one's own power, changing one's molecular structure at will, pyrokinesis, ferokinesis, telekinesis, phasing, arachnid DNA splicing, magic (both "Clarke's Law" tech & "real" magic), shape-shifting, limb regeneration, nano-scale shrinking, multi-millennia lifespans, talking raccoon etc. etc. etc.

    Now granted Hulk is down similar lines as Cap, ability-wise, but he's *much* further along the curve than Rogers. Plus there's the whole turning green, blind rage, physics defying transformation and the being nigh indestructible thing.
     
  6. Doctorwhovian

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    I wonder if a Civil War film would feature the Hulk in some capacity. Maybe he'd cause the destruction that leads to the war?

    Granted, in the comics storyline neither him nor the real Thor played a role (I believe Hulk was off in "Planet Hulk" and Thor was dead, replaced by a crazy robot)
     
  7. theenglish

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    Yes, neither Hulk nor Thor were around. There are actually a few possibilities to mix and match that era. The Civil War could lead to Planet Hulk and end with World War Hulk. Or it could end with the Skrull invasion and be started by a Hulk attack similar to the original Ultimates storyline.

    There will need to be some more definitive resolution than we had in the comics.
     
  8. Enterprise1701

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    I laughed when I saw that scene on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. It kind of seems like an unnecessary limitation for an adaptation of Marvel comics.
     
  9. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    It added a sense of mystery to the Clairvoyant plot. The show isn't saying there are no telepaths, just that they aren't known. Given that "special" individuals are seen to be the exception rather than the rule, they can always discover them for the first time.

    Plus, most telepathic individuals in the Marvel universe tend to be mutants.
     
  10. Relayer1

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    And who's to say that the world hasn't been convinced that there are no telepaths by, for instance, a powerful telepath...
     
  11. Masiral

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    Yeah, but did people know that was superpowers, or did they think it was some sort of Hollywood trickery?
     
  12. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Well, the whole point of propaganda is "our boys can beat your boys." It's the same thing as the British talking about how carrots gave their fighter pilots superior eye sight to hide the fact that they invented radar. So I do think people generally believed it to be real.

    But it's far easier to internalize superior strength than most other things.
     
  13. Enterprise1701

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    The public probably knew since the Allied militaries had planned on mass-producing super-soldiers. And in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Sam Wilson doesn't act surprised when Rogers triple outruns him.
     
  14. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Well, for the last point: that was after the Avengers.
     
  15. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    He does go from propaganda poster boy to to spearheading the fight against Hydra in the first film.
     
  16. bbjegglebells

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    ^In the first film, people at home probably didn't believe their was a superhero running about. They probably thought he was nothing more but a symbol to kids that the war is going well. There's definitely a lot of footage of him hitting Hittler(s) to help distort the truth. Even when a soldier returns home and says he was saved by Captain America, I bet people either didn't take it seriously or took it as Captain America Bonds saved me.
     
  17. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    Hitting Hitler was part of the Captain America USO show complete with goofy costume and chorus line. After he saves the Howlers from Hydra and dons a proper uniform he's a real hero. He was probably in the newsreels, on the the radio and in the newspapers being interviewed about his exploits like any other hero of note.
     
  18. bbjegglebells

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    I'm saying it all could have been taken as propaganda since superheroes don't (or didn't) exist.
     
  19. Captain Craig

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    Or their exploits were highly classified.
    Covered Up.

    I'd wager what we know of meta human and superheroics activity in the MCU is about to be shifted with Agent Carter and Ant-Man perhaps.
     
  20. Relayer1

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    A lack of superheroes/villains in Agent Carter would be...strange.