Marvel All New, All Different - Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

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  1. Guy Gardener

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    I have never seen this envy streak in Banner before. It's troubling and obviously psychotic in it's own right... But what exactly is Banner going to do when he finds out that Maria and Stark have knocked boots? This new competitive streak is going to kick into overdrive towards her pants.

    (Waid doesn't know, does he?)

    Shield R&D is going to be creaming itself making specialised weapons for the Indestructible Hulk.
     
  2. Turtletrekker

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    Agreed. A very fun read.

    Also by Waid, Daredevil 20-- a book that continues to be a solid read. I can't really say much without getting spoilery, but plot twists and turns abound. The current run of Daredevil and the first issue of the new Hulk book are the extent of my exposure to Waid, but I can see him becoming a writer that I give a shot no matter what he writes.

    Speaking of writers that I will give a shot no matter what, Kieron Gillen's second issue of Iron Man, like the first, was entertaining but nothing special. As a fan of his previous work, I'm willing to give his run a fair shot, but it needs to improve before too long if I'm to continue to fork over the $$$$. Gillen says in the back of the book that unlike Journey into Mystery and Uncanny X-Men, where he knew exactly how both stories were going to end before writing a single word, he has no idea where his Iron Man run will end up. Maybe the key here is to give him a chance to build up his narrative and figure out where he's going. I want this to be good.

    Avengers 34, Bendis' last issue (with one more issue of New Avengers yet to come). The return of the Wasp has made me a very happy Avengers reader. Bendis leaves this book on a high note while, with a single line from Tony Stark,...

    "We go bigger."
    ...sets up Johnathon Hickman's run in an easy and intriguing way.

    OK, in this thread I've raved about Journey into Mystery, Daredevil and Avengers Academy more than any other books. I honestly think that Hawkeye is going to join that list. With the 4th issue, the first multi-parter, the book has kicked into high-gear. Very interesting twist at the end. Kate was always my favorite Young Avenger and her performance in this issue, as much as you don't even realize it until the very last page, cements her in my mind as one of the most competent heroes in the MU.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    The Avengers used to have consulates all over the world, and every Avenger had equal rank to a UN Ambassador until the shit hit the fan and the UN ceded complete global power, citing the Avengers as the masters of the planet so that they could take on some dinky big bad just a little easier.

    A seriously clueless writer.
     
  4. Nerys Myk

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    ^Wasn't that the Justice League?
     
  5. Captain Craig

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    Agreed. Strong first issue.

    I also thought Aaron's first arc was fairly strong. It went downhill exponentially after that. Hoping for better out of Waid.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    The UN treated the JLI like little bitches.

    This was twenty years later and it was like France was in charge.

    "We're too impotent, please be our masters!"

    Which kinda proved every supervillian right that the world is full of sheep waiting to be lead.

    There were black holes stealing cities I think.

    i wish i could recall the issue numbers.
     
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    Guess I missed those issues. I might even be glad about it.
     
  8. Guy Gardener

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    besides remember how the US government freaked in the JLU cartoon when they found out that their satellite had been weaponized with alien hardware? The Romans spent 200 years arguing down the idea of a fire department because they didn't want an organized and trained body of men inside the city limits who might at any point be repurposed for political measures.

    TWO HUNDRED YEARS!

    If the Avengers are going to turn into a massive army... Don't you think that the US government is going to be mildly concerned and try something stupid again like outlawing super powers, reinstating the capekillers or civilian oversight?

    Think about the similarities between Avengers Mansion and Waco.

    Everything could go so wrong so quickly.
     
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    Re: Marvel Now/ReEvolution Ongoing Discussion (Spoilers)

    The 50 States Initiative was already close to a military force.

    Waid's a far better writer than Aaron. I don't think the latter has had any book that didn't quickly go down hill after the first arc.

    No it was actually a decent arc. The OP is leaving out the fact that just prior to this, Kang had conquered the entire planet and destroyed a chunk of Washington DC before the Avengers had drove him off.
     
  11. Admiral_Young

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    "Wolverine and the X-Men" IMO has remained consistent since Aaron started it, it is probably my favourite Marvel book right now. To be fair regarding "Incredible Hulk" I've often wondered if Aaron knew it was going to be as short as it was? Basically almost felt like a mini-series, even though it was probably intended originally as an ongoing. I wonder how late the decision to do "Indestructible Hulk"?
     
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    I don't think Cap is planning on working hand in hand with the US Government this time. Actually last time Cap implicitly chose not to be answerable to the US Government which lead to the Civil War Scuffle. He's had some real trouble with "administrations" over the years, even though he firmly believe's in the spirit of America. hell i can think of twice that the Red Scull turned out to be a highly placed political figure within inches of taking the presidency if he could have been bothered.

    But yes, the 50 State Initiative was a paramilitary peace keeping force answerable to SHIELD and the local authorities. It was Avengers in name only. Checks and balances would have kept those heroes beholden to tyrants like Stark and Osborn.

    The Vision, while he was temporarily insane, was planning on taking over the world by franchising the Avengers in the 80s which by the final count had some very positive ramifications over than the world leaders collectively deciding to lobotomise the Vision.

    Actually, if the vision has recovered all his old memories at some point since 1987, shouldn't there be some pay back or precautions?
     
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    After reading all new X-Men... I really think that Hank is only pretending to over play his hand. They're clones or robots or brainwashed superskrulls. It was insane how they kept saying "lets go get the professor" and Beast kept finding excuses not to, when in truth, he just hadn't made a Professor X doll for this vanity project.
     
  14. Hound of UIster

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    Hickman is also relaunching New Universe in Avengers/New Avengers.

    Edit: And he just posted the initial roster for the Avengers:

    Captain America
    Iron Man
    Thor
    Hulk
    Hawkeye
    Black Widow

    Wolverine
    Spider-Man
    Spider-Woman
    Captain Marvel

    Shang Chi
    Falcon
    Sunspot
    Cannonball
    Eden Fesi/Manifold (Gateway's grandson)

    Captain Universe (female)
    Hyperion
    Smasher of the Imperial Guard (human female)

     
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    Whatever happened to Warren Ellis' New Universe reboot? Just kinda petered out didn't it?
     
  16. Admiral_Young

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    I can't wait for Hickman's Avengers next week. Probably the Marvel Now book I've been most excited for.
     
  17. Hound of UIster

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    Like most everything he has done for Marvel.
     
  18. Turtletrekker

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    I loved All-New X-Men 2. I enjoyed the first issue, but this issue kicks it into high gear. The first issue should have started out with the OT instead of bringing them in at the end. The scene where Jean puts Wolverine to sleep was the best use of Wolverine in years. :guffaw:

    New Avengers 34-- Meh. Bendis closes out his run by ending Luke and Jessica's arc with team and...
    ...giving Dr. Strange back the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme after he defeats Daniel Drumm.
    The final issue of the first NA run had a lot more heart than this volume's conclusion did.

    FF 1 was... OK. I'm not sure how long I'll stick with this book after Franklin and Val leave with their parents. They were actually the draw for me during Hickman's run and as much as I like the rest of the class, it won't be the same without the Richards' kids.

    Uncanny Avengers 2 failed to excite. I think I will be dropping this after the first arc is done.
     
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  20. Admiral_Young

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    Uncanny Avengers #2 was very good, I will be following this. I was surprised with Fraction's FF#1...I found it to be much better than his "Fantastic Four #1" and might stick with it a little longer. The biggest surprise for me is All New X-Men. As mentioned with the first issue, it's not the total train wreck I thought it would be, but it's not entirely a home run yet for me either. The best thing about it is Stuart Immonen's art, which is fantastic. I'll be sticking around for a little while longer.


    As for next week:

    -All New X-Men #3
    -Amazing Spider-Man #699 (we see how far back Otto's plan actually goes)
    -Avengers #1 (my most anticipated Marvel Now release. HICKMAN ASSEMBLE!!)
    -Avenging Spider-Man #15
    -Daredevil: End of Days #3
    -Deadpool #3 (More dead zombie presidents out there! Wade seeks out Dr. Strange's help)
    -Iron Man #3 (This is near dropped, Gillen usually doesn't disappoint either)
    -Thunderbolts #1
    -Ultimate Comics Ultimates #18.1