Margaret Thatcher dead at 87

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  1. Gil T.Azell

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    One of our Technical inspectors at work got an E-mail from his Brother in England , saying he was over joyed.
    (From what he told me she had cost him his job and such by shutting down mining?), and the No. 1 down load there was
    "♫ Ding-Dong, the Witch is dead.♫"
    I have no opinion other than a family has lost a mother, grandmother ..
     
  2. Starkers

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    But what happens when people won't compromise? You end up with the status quo ad infinitum, in particular around any especially contentious issue; abortion, gun control etc.

    ah Scargill, one miner who did all right for himself.

    Yes, and in addition I'd argue that the Maggie people hated so much actually died several years ago given the apparent progression of her dementia. By all accounts the woman who died on Monday didn't neccesarily fully know who she was, or who friends/family members were any more.
     
  3. JoeZhang

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    seems to answer that point.
     
  4. Starkers

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    Classy...
     
  5. Avon

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    thing is she had dementia. the margaret thatcher that everyone hates died some time ago.
     
  6. TheGodBen

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    That's the claim, it is not necessarily the reality. It's interesting that you should mention abortion, because progress is finally being made on that issue in Ireland in part because we have a coalition government. The main party of the current government is socially conservative, they'd be happy to sit on their hands and not to legislate for it at all, which was their position prior to the last election. But they're in a coalition with Labour, a party who do want to legislate for it, so there's finally going to be legislation for it.

    And if you want a British example, their coalition government is the reason why gay marriage is being legalised there. The Conservatives on their own weren't going to push for it, the majority of their MPs voted against it in parliament. But the Lib Dems wanted it, and Cameron needs their support to remain in power, so he went against the will of his own party and pushed for it.

    So, I once again refute your claim that multi-party governments can't get things done on controversial issues.
     
  7. Starkers

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    Well again to use the current UK government as an example, both Lords reform and streamlining of boundry changes have failed to happen, despite supposed agreement between the parties.

    As for gay marriage, Cameron didn't need to push for it, the Lib Dems never made it any kind of make or break issue, and it certainly wasn't in the coalition agreement. I think Cameron genuinely thinks its a step forward, as do a lot of Convervatives (yes a majority voted against it, but the numbers were close to 50/50, and they definitely wouldn't have been like that just a few years ago).

    And turning your own example about abortion on its head, if Labour had a decent majority they could just enact the legislation themselves anyway?

    So I refute right back at ya
     
  8. TheGodBen

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    I never claimed otherwise. Yes, if Ireland had a majority Labour government then they'd be able to push through whatever reforms they want, but if you knew anything about Irish politics you'd know that there has never been any chance of a Labour majority government here, even if we used FPTP.

    My intent was never to claim that single-party governments can't get shit done, because that would be an absurd claim. My intent was to point out that multi-party governments are perfectly capable of bringing about change, even on contentious matters. The idea that you need FPTP in the UK to avoid political paralysis is a lie spread by the Conservatives and many in Labour so that they can maintain their stranglehold over the functions of government.
     
  9. flandry84

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    Rather disgraceful the amount of glee being shown at the death of any human being.
    (And that includes deplorable humans like Gaddaffi and Bin Laden too.)
     
  10. JoeZhang

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    Going off the Thatcher party in London tonight, the funeral is shaping up to be a real disaster.
     
  11. Starkers

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    Quite frightening isn't it. I don't think I've ever heard such venom, even for people who quite frankly deserve it far more. I think William Hague summed it up, a lot of people just hate her cos they couldn't beat her. She was only really defeated by her own party, and now by old age. Maybe if she hadn't resigned and had lost the '92 election it might have helped, given those people some catharsis?

    People are entitled to their opinion, people are even entitled to download ding dong etc, I just hope they allow her funeral to pass unmolested at least. Everyone deserves that; be in Bin Laden, Dubya, Tony Blair, whoever.
     

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