MAN OF STEEL - Grading & Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Agent Richard07, Jun 11, 2013.

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Grade the movie...

  1. A+

    10.6%
  2. A

    20.9%
  3. A-

    18.3%
  4. B+

    9.9%
  5. B

    11.4%
  6. B-

    4.2%
  7. C+

    4.9%
  8. C

    4.9%
  9. C-

    3.4%
  10. D+

    3.4%
  11. D

    3.8%
  12. D-

    2.7%
  13. F

    1.5%
  1. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    Wana throw in the whole exchange?

    Thor: We're not finished yet.
    Tony Stark: And then shawarma after.
     
  2. Savage Dragon

    Savage Dragon Savage Mod Moderator

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    That kiss was a pretty natural thing to happen. Lois and Superman formed a close bond and then survived multiple near-death experiences. In their relief at surviving they kissed.

    I can tell you that if my wife and I survived a near death experience like that we would most likely hug and kiss in relief too.
     
  3. CorporalCaptain

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    Yep, she was a reporter. Snooping for a story and getting in trouble was pretty typical Lois behavior, actually.

    I'd certainly wonder why someone wasn't wearing the indicated cold weather clothing, yet not freezing to death too, by the way. I've only seen the movie once so far, but I remember there was a sign on the door to the shelter where the military stuck Lois, that explained all the shit you need to wear to avoid freezing to death outside. Clark wasn't dressed that way, so for "some reason" she thought it was odd.... Seeing something odd, when something odd is discovered way under the ice that gets the military interested, couldn't possibly seem odd! No....

    Yeah, the fact that she was responsible for writing a story about Superman that got dump onto the Internet (which evidently Zod could scan, since they figured out how to communicate with Earthlings) couldn't possibly mean that she knew something. No....

    Yeah, Jor-El goofed/didn't anticipate everything. She couldn't do what he told her ("push the button"), because....wait for it....the aperture wasn't aligned. Dr. Hamilton (Richard Schiff/Toby Ziegler) had to figure out how to twist it into position. They brought her because she was who Jor-El had communicated with.

    We've not actually been through a time when the whole Earth was almost converted into the likeness of an alien planet, but I imagine that people could be kinda happy, if that was going to happen but then got stopped. I don't remember her jumping around saying how kewl she thought all the rubble was....
     
  4. Jeyl

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    Except there is no chemistry between Lois and Superman. They just happen to know each other and, well, that's it. There is no real build up for that moment to be any kind of pay off. It feels more "out of nowhere" than the Spock/Uhura romance in the Star Trek movies. They're a couple now because..... they're a couple now.
     
  5. judgeroy

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    davejames, I learned a long time ago that when it comes to movies like STID, MOS and Marvel's Avengers, you have to work at paying attention to dialog as well as the action to catch a lot of the subtle details. Which is why I think many people miss the "message" elements of the story and end up feeling like the movie is nothing more than a popcorn action flick. Note: I am not meaning to thump anyone here, just IMO, your usage may vary. I usually go to movies like this a second time just so I can relax and breath it in. LOL. As far as al the hand wringing about the destruction and Supes seeming lack of concern about it, c'mon guys, we are talking the man who made Watchmen here. The whole sub plot to that movie and graphic novel was consequences of both intentional and unintentional actions, not just about the big plan. I expect that this issue will be addressed in the next movie in some way. Perhaps as a lead in to Lex as the instigator in the 3rd movie.
     
  6. Jeyl

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    Obviously, she couldn't just tell anyone else this and so we needed a scene where she needs a guy to figure it out for her. Also thanks for pointing out that it was Dr. Hamilton who aligned the ship and the fact that he was played by Richard Schiff from the West Wing because his role was so small and so obscure that we probably wouldn't have known it was him unless you told us. Would have been really nice if the film gave did that job for you instead of just randomly throwing him in scenes like the character of Nathan Hardy.
     
  7. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    I think this Superman should just kill anyone who happens to be the bad guy in future installments. If he's willing to break Zod's neck to save four people, he should kill bad guys who would openly threaten thousands, if not millions of people. I mean, why not?
     
  8. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Absolutely loved the kissing scene.
     
  9. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Admiral Admiral

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    How could anyone miss Toby Ziegler? :shrug:
     
  10. Lapis Exilis

    Lapis Exilis Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Wanna respond to the actual point of the post?
     
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  12. Agent Richard07

    Agent Richard07 Admiral Admiral

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    Here's how Superman lost the undies...

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    Why wait that long? We've got the the perfect opportunity for Lex to appear in the 2nd movie.
     
  13. BillJ

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    I really don't want another Lex Luthor real estate plot. :eek:
     
  14. RandyS

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    It did. Only in that film, it was colored green, which led me to wonder if it was infested with Kryptonite or something.
     
  15. Jeyl

    Jeyl Commodore Commodore

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    That was not a response to your post, that was fixing your post.
     
  16. Lapis Exilis

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    So, no, you don't want to respond to the point.

    That's often the response when someone has said something inane and doesn't want to admit it.
     
  17. Warped9

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    Every reboot or revisit of a character or property reinterprets the original and/or preceding versions to some degree or other. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I don't agree with everything in MoS, but overall I think they did a decent job of it. I also look forward to seeing what they do in the sequel that might or might not touch on some things raised in this first film.

    Oh, and put me down for another who really doesn't care for so much handycam work.
     
  18. Dr.H

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    Yeah I agree with you there, I kinda wish the quipping was dialed back there though I would argue that's a different animal from Man Of Steel. I would give you that at least.


    Please allow me the honor of linking you to an excellent article.

    http://badassdigest.com/2013/06/15/why-the-destruction-in-man-of-steel-matters/

    I know that one has to suspend a great deal of disbelief when going to see these movies. But Man of Steel's destruction is over-excessive even by comic book movie standards and way its realistically portrayed is kinda disturbing and also ridiculous. I don't think I've seen anything like it in a superhero film before. Even Rises didn't have the same amount of wanton destruction this flick had.


    With Superman 1 I can kinda forgive since it was just one of the hiccups of the storytelling. However thats something different entirely. Look at Superman 2 when Superman was very conscious of his surroundings and making great effort to protect the bystanders fighting Zod and his minions--that's what I wanted to see while fighting Zod and his minions. That's all, I could forgive the wanton destruction if I felt that Supes had at least made effort to save folks. You cited Death of Superman(one of the unintentionally hilarious stories in comics and the one story where Supes donned his accursed Super-mullet! Story was badly written trite and was just gimmicky story just to get sales the normal Superman comics I've read(with a few exceptions mind you) mostly show Superman as being very, very conscious of his whereabouts when fighting a powerful enemy. One could rebut that Supes is only just starting and isn't experienced and this isn't the Superman that I know, but for me I feel it's more of a product of the filmmakers went overboard in showing the gravity of Zod's threat.
     
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  19. Dr.H

    Dr.H Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I severely disagree. It would be a natural thing if it happened sometime after the ending battle, not while buildings are being thrashed. I know this is a comic book movie but I was literally laughing out loud when I saw that, not to mention the cheesy dialogue that was in it. I know it's a comic book movie movie but I expect a little more believability out of these movies, especially from a so called more 'realistic' take on Superman.


    Here's the thing: You're not a super-powered alien who has the responsibility of stopping a genocidal alien general, who at the very moment is wiping out hundreds of thousands of people of your adopted homeworld. No offense, but you and your wife comforting each after after luckily surviving a traumatic experience like that is very different from that.
     
  20. davejames

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    Actually at that point in the story they (like the audience) assumed Zod had been sucked back into the Phantom Zone, and that the battle had finally come to an end.

    If that's not a time to celebrate and comfort each other, I don't know what is.