Malaysian airliner feared lost..

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  1. CorporalCaptain

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    I think if you'll carefully reread what I said, I didn't say that optimism was the problem. I'm 100% positive that I said that flippancy is the problem, a word that has a very specific definition.

    If you (general you) are being flippant, then you're likely to offend people in this sort of situation. That, after all, is what the word means. On the other hand, if you're not being flippant, then, obviously, you're not as likely to offend in that manner. It's pretty straightforward, really.

    If you (general you) are so world-weary that you're confusing aliens or Bermuda Triangle inversions with optimistic theories, then I can't help you. Seek counseling and/or go on vacation would be my best advice.
     
  2. Marc

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    the issue of transponders etc was raised earlier in the thread. AVherald.com (a site with a very good reputation for it's coverage of aircraft incidents and accidents) reports that MAS aircraft after fitted with a system for transmission of monitored data but nothing was received.

    http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

    The linked article has a complete summary of known facts to this point in time.
     
  3. Locutus of Bored

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    No, actually, that's not clear at all. Just because we are not exactly sure what happened within a few days of an incident that took place over the ocean doesn't make the explanation inherently weird. When the wreckage is found and the reasons for the crash explained, chances are it will be a fairly mundane cause, not that that's any comfort to the families.

    All this speculation about weird phenomena is just a parallel to people believing in ridiculous conspiracy theories. Some people can't fathom the idea that a single assassin with an obsession or agenda can take down world leaders, that a handful of terrorists can take down skyscrapers, or that we can land on the Moon. And when a plane disappears, it can't just be that it's difficult to find because it's in the middle of the ocean, there must be some bizarre explanation behind it.

    Really, the plane's not in his house, Martians took it along with Amelia Earhart, or SPECTRE sabotaged it are good faith theories about what happened instead of flippant (as CC said), poor taste jokes? Can you be any more gullible? Also, I didn't say anything the first or second time, but by the THIRD time he was making a joke in the thread it seemed a bit much.

    By the way, thanks for not taking the obvious hint about how this line of discussion was inappropriate for the thread and continuing it anyway. For the completely clueless, there is another thread open right now where you can discuss the value of poor taste and too soon jokes (or for you, how they're actually serious) instead of in the thread where the discussion of the incident where hundreds of lives were lost is still ongoing.

    But it's not awesome. Even if by some bizarre occurrence the passengers and crew were still alive, it wouldn't have been an awesome experience for them. Nor is it an awesome experience for the families and friends they left behind. Which is why it's callous and inappropriate to engage in this kind of joking and baseless speculation.
     
  4. EmoBorg

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  5. Miss Chicken

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    I don't think is that unusual that the plane hasn't been found yet. It took searchers about five days before they found any of the major wreckage of Air France Flight 447 and as far remember that flight had not veered off course.
     
  6. USS Triumphant

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  7. Locutus of Bored

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    Nope, I'm not giving you a warning because there's no reason to. But what you were doing hardly constitutes good manners in my opinion, either, hence my response. You may consider it a harmless intellectual exercise, but be conscious of your surroundings and how what you say may be interpreted by others. Now, if you want to continue the discussion, take it to PM and out of this thread.
     
  8. Dimesdan

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    Given it's been what, four, five days, I hope it's parked up on some runway with the crew unable to communicate with the wider world and not as it may very well be, somewhere in the sea. Either way, it certainly isn't in the air anymore.
     
  9. Haggis and tatties

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    ^^I hope that is what happened, it would be great if everybody was ok, seeing those poor people waiting for news is heartbreaking.
     
  10. Roger Wilco

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    Obviously I didn't mean "weird" as in "abducted by aliens" or "pulled into a time travel vortex", but imo whatever disaster befell the plane is inherently strange due to the rarity of such events.
     
  11. BillJ

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  12. EmoBorg

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    No sign of missing plane at spot located by the Chinese satellite according to Malaysian and Vietnamese searchers.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0313/601918-malaysia-airlines/



    US investigators believed that the missing airliner flew about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location based on the data collected.

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/missing-plane-flew-for-hours-report-1.1660534



    Slate Magazine has an interesting article regarding this incident.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ppearance_is_unlike_anything_in_aviation.html
     
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  14. USS Triumphant

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    A fairly intelligent friend of mine with some relevant background (radar operator in the Navy) mentioned a theory on what has happened to the flight, and I'm going to share it here because I found it interesting, but I want to emphasize that neither he nor I are trying to say it IS what happened, either. I'm presenting it only for your consideration.

    He suggests that possibly once the plane went well off course without an active transponder, that *someone's* military shot it down, and perhaps from a security point of view, rightly so to some degree if they were concerned about the plane being used as a weapon. And that the reason there's as much "mystery" as there is about the disappearance is that the governments involved in the search for the most part *know*, and might prefer that this be left a mystery to the public than for there to be international tension or some other negative reaction to an action that they agree was unfortunate but actually warranted by the data available to whomever made the call to shoot it down.

    If there IS anything to this theory, it dovetails well with the picture of debris near the last known location of the plane that the Chinese are showing around and that Malaysia keeps saying isn't part of the answer - perhaps the Chinese aren't in the group that knows what the other nations have decided the official story is supposed to be?
     
  15. Trekker4747

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  16. bigdaddy

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    It seems to be increasingly likely that the plane was stolen and flown until....
     
  17. Robert Maxwell

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    It sounds like there is at least some evidence the plane continued to fly for hours after it lost contact with the ground, based on the article EmoBorg linked (and which I've seen corroborated elsewhere.) That would point more toward a hijacking or some other nefarious action, though it would be nice to see considerably more information about that before drawing any conclusions. If engine data was being sent out, what did it contain? Probably no heading information, so it wouldn't be very useful for locating it. If it did continue to fly for a few more hours, that makes a systematic search virtually futile.
     
  18. Roger Wilco

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    A hijacking doesn't seem likely to me somehow. I mean, anything's possible, but I can't imagine why the pilots would cooperate with a hijacking after what happened on 9/11.
     
  19. Peach Wookiee

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    But where did the plane end up? You'd think someone would've seen something...
     
  20. Ar-Pharazon

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    Over the ocean?

    The latest theory has the plane landing on an island :rolleyes: