Lt. Kim

Discussion in 'Voyager' started by davidant32, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. borgboy

    borgboy Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Do you not think that by the end of the series the Doctor was sentient? I think he was by the end, but not at the beginning, and it's difficult to say exactly when it happened. The hologram as a metaphor for oppressed minorities was an interesting story for the series. It was thought provoking and something I still don't feel was adequetly resolved.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'm sure Zimmerman is a fraud.

    Starfleet would have given him a copy of the Moriarty program, and told him to make it more cow like.
     
  3. exodus

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    Yep, someone has to do the grunt work.
    Who do you order to do the grunt work if everyone is of equal rank?
     
  4. exodus

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    It was during "Flesh & Blood" when he put the crew of Voyager in harms way, that's when he became a full sentient being.
    The EMH is programmed "To do no harm".
    He's a machine, he doesn't have a choice but to obey his prime programming but in "F&B" he made a choice. He overrode his most basic programming and fully gained free will. He was no longer a slave to his programming, he was free. That's why Janeway didn't punish him, he achieved his goal as an independent fully functional being.
     
  5. Use of Time

    Use of Time Commodore Commodore

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    This whole conversation has been about Harry Kim, a senior staff bridge officer and department head. He is not a grunt. Shouldn't he maybe outrank the grunts in order to set himself apart as a senior officer on the ship? I'm not try trying to argue with you but at some point logic should take over.
     
  6. Guy Gardener

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    The things about the Doctor is that his penis is reattachable.

    He can be periodically castrated for certain periods depending on the intensity of his crimes.

    However.

    By blanket pardoning the doctor, she pardoned her own behaviour.

    Kathryn has no problem with hypocrisy, but she did frakk up worse than he did, and it wasn't worth applying a microscope tot he cock up.

    besides.

    The Doctor made a decision which he did not think would have a negative impact on Voyager. He's allowed to do that. Then when things started going bad, he had to try and make things less bad without admitting that he made a mistake.... And then then everything got worse.

    I don't see that as proof of sentience.
     
  7. Melakon

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    Even PFC Gomer Pyle was only in charge of people below his rank, and they always wound up horsehockying him into doing the work himself.
     
  8. exodus

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    So what is a Ensign on a ship full of Lt.?
     
  9. AgentCoop

    AgentCoop Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Maybe Janeway could make up new ranks so she can keep promoting people while avoiding this problem.

    "Mr. Paris, I hereby promote you to Super Duper Lieutenant."
     
  10. exodus

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    "Computer, charge the Photo Canon!!" :lol:
     
  11. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Logic? Don't be a priss.

    There are plenty of enlisted crewmen that have a completely different rank structure that are all completely below harry in the chain of command.

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_ranks

    Words like crewman 3rd class, or master chief petty officer.

    (It's changed behind the scenes a couple times.)

    On a US Navel Vessel today the ratio of Enlisted to Officers is 9:1. But because of automation( and self cleaning) the ratio of enlisted to officers on a Starfleet vessel would probably be closer to 3:1.
     
  12. Melakon

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    I'm not going to say anything, since you might be somewhere on an island that grows oranges. Anyway, for some reason, people already think I'm a Nazi.
     
  13. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I do live on an island.

    We grow sheep.
     
  14. Use of Time

    Use of Time Commodore Commodore

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    I thought of you today while watching "Patterns of Force." I had never realized that what was what your avatar represented.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Considering what Teacake called me yesterday... I'd rather be a NAZI than a Ginger.
     
  16. Melakon

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    "Ginger" might have some Aussie meaning known only to them.

    @ Use of Time: Don't think of me, think of Skip. The avatar could have been anyone, was just trying to think of a character not already taken. The idea for the avatar came afterward, because I had first noticed him before Trek, and wanted people to know about him as well. Eventually I may wind up adding a profile entry describing the images, as I've only been here a year and had around a half dozen comments about it.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    (Red-headed silly.)

    If you really want to make people think that you're from the Common Wealth, pronounces it thus: Ging (rhymes with sing (a song).) -ah, but saying the word the same as the root/spice is fine too.

    Oh look at me, spreading hate internationally, mother would be so proud.
     
  18. teacake

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    You are giving away all the secrets.
     
  19. Guy Gardener

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    In a case of us vs. them, it's still everyone vs. the French.
     
  20. exodus

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    Ok, Nazi.:lol:
    J/k

    Here's the thing, if senior bridge staff are dept. heads then explain why Paris reports to Lt. Rollins? Tom tells B'elanna that he submits his Con reports to a Lt Rollins in "Dreadnaut". Tom reports to someone else, yet Tom is senior staff.