Logan's Run: Is the Domed City actually "Sanctuary"

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  1. Klaus

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    I've been watching nuWho for a while now, but I really just thought of the UFO thread today... It will be updated before too long. :D
     
  2. Silvercrest

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    Yeah, like they did with "I, Robot." :rolleyes: Wonder how many people thought they bought the wrong book.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

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    Asimov wasn't known for his sassy Will Smith type dialog.;)
     
  4. Klaus

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    Well it wasn't originally based on Asimov at all, those touches were shoehorned into it late in the process...
     
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    It was just an attempt at humor.
     
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    I think the question being asked is what did the citizens expect to happen to someone that successfully "renewed"?

    I enjoyed the movie immensely, but my memories of it are always clouded over by the image of Jenny Agutter.
     
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    I admit I was always a bit fuzzy on that. Maybe they thought they were going to be reincarnated?

    (And ditto regarding Jenny Agutter.)
     
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    Fascinating ideas here. In the book, when Logan hides at a baby creche, the newborns have clear crystals. Maybe that's what Francis meant. Also, in the book, there's some (distorted, Orwellian) sense of past history. Old people are condemned for sending youths to their death in war (the Civil War robot diorama chapter)-so there is knowledge of what "old" means. Also, in the book, a general named Pope dumps a pocket nuke on DC during the Little War. And there is a leader of the youths who voluntarily dies to set the example for future generations to follow. By Logan's time, however, the system is breaking down and the reasons (overpopulation) for the crystal system are forgotten. Hence, runners...(Loved the Crazy Horse chapter/scene also, btw).
     
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    The book was the first I'd heard of the Crazy Horse Project, it'd be great to see it get done even if I doubt I'll live to see it.
     
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    Yea,that was my impression, they thought they'd go into carousel and be reborn
     
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  12. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I suppose Logan's Run could indeed take place in the same universe as Soylent Green (the opening credits mention "war, overpopulation and pollution", but Washington, DC is clearly not the site of a nuclear attack as most of it is still there, albeit in ruins), but not Hunger Games, since IIRC in that universe, over half of North America is supposed to be under water. Which surely would include DC.

    As for renewal: I have no idea. Logan asked Francis "did you ever see anyone renew?" and Francis acted like he didn't even understand the question. So maybe it's not something you're supposed to see, as such. I don't know what Francis' dying words ("Logan...you renewed!") were supposed to mean, though. Francis was probably delirious as he was dying anyway.
     
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    I haven't seen the movie in more than a decade I think so I don't really recall many specifics, but according to Wikipedia:

     
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    ^ I remember that scene, but I still don't know what it means. I highly doubt 'renewal' is supposed to mean you just go on living as normal, since the whole point of Carousel is to exterminate people as the means to population control - even if renewal works, it must mean being born again somehow, since everybody knows that the population in the city is strictly controlled. Obviously people who renew don't simply continue to age beyond 30, since nobody in the city is ever that old. So clearly everyone who goes through Carousel is supposed to die. The only thing I can think of that makes any sense is that 'renewal' simply means reincarnation, and that Francis was delirious (being about to die, and all that) when he said that to Logan.
     
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    He tells Logan that he has Renewed because Logan's Lifeclock is now clear, just like the Lifeclocks on the babies seen at the beginning of the movie.
     
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    Perhaps Francis thinks Logan's clear lifeclock is proof positive that Logan will eventually be reincarnated.
     
  17. JoeD80

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    Several familiar Star Trek writers' names on the Logan's Run show - In addition to Fontana and Ellison, John Meredyth Lucas, James Schmerer (from TAS), David Gerrold, and Shimon Wincelberg all wrote scripts for the series.
     
  18. therealsb63

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    Sanctuary did exist in the books, it was the space station Andrew mentions. The computers that controlled the world were what were inside Crazy Horse Mountain.
     
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    Well, if Bryan Singer would just stay with the project that's been in the works for many years now (he first left the proposed "Logan's Run" remake to do "Superman Returns"). it might finally happen. Ryan Gosling was on deck to play Logan, but it was announced last week he's pulled out. Reason given? They've taken too long, he doesn't look young enough to play Logan anymore (the proposed remake will follow the book more closely than the 1970s movie)...

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    :rommie::guffaw:

    Good one!