Levar Burton aka Geordi La Forge criticizes Star Trek 2009

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by serenitytrek1, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. BillJ

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    I'm not talking about ill-conceived episodes, I'm talking about episodes that do head scratching things for no other reason than to move the plot along (much like the 2009 film did).

    One of my absolute personal favorite TOS episodes is The Naked Time. But in order for the Enterprise to be compromised we have to believe three absolutely insane things: 1) That during a critical orbit that the Engineering deck only has two officers on duty, 2) That Scott would be gullible enough to abandon engineering on the word of another officer with the only other engineer on duty, 3) That the engineering section has only one door and no way to override the locks.

    It's an incredibly stupid set of events that have to happen to make the episode go, but the episode writing outside of that coupled with the acting make it one hell of an entertaining episode.

    And you can count mountain sized plot-holes and other stupidities on about eighty percent of Trek episodes as a whole.
     
  2. DalekJim

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    My favourite TOS episode is This Side of Paradise and it's hardly realistic. Still, I am more forgiving if an episode is more conceptual or ambitious than if it coasts along a generic formula. Most of my favourite Trek episodes (Such as In The Pale Moonlight, The Inner Light, The Visitor and City on the Edge of Forever) push the format in some way. I don't feel Abrams is doing this so it feels like the franchise is in a rut and to get out of it, I feel it must return to television.

    The novel range seems to be doing quite well though.
     
  3. BillJ

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    I think it's fairer to say Abrams isn't doing it yet. We honestly don't know what the future holds in regards to Star Trek Into Darkness (I haven't seen it yet and refuse to damn it with praise or ridicule until I have) and the inevitable Star Trek 2016.

    But even if he does go down the more philosophical route, it will still be more in the background as his job is to sell movie tickets first and foremost.
     
  4. Franklin

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    Which brings up another point. Not only have we all probably watched a shitload of good and bad Trek, as you pointed out, BillJ, but we've watched a lot more Trek than anyone probably intended to be watched. The TV episodes, even movies, were not written to be pieces that would be watched over and over and picked apart ten, twenty, or even fifty years later. (Fifty years. Yikes!) Not even Shakespeare was writing thinking his works would be scrutinized over four hundred years after they were written. He was entertaining people in the moment.

    Very few popular culture TV shows and movies stand the test of time or heavy and repeated scrutiny. Considering they're all shot with finite budgets, deadlines to meet, egos to massage, profitability in mind, and other things that can affect "artistic quality," it's a wonder they can stand up to even one viewing.
     
  5. BillJ

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    Hell, I watched Obsession today and they left an impulse vent open because they didn't think it was important when battling a fog creature. :guffaw:
     
  6. yousirname

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    It is... aggressive. Adversarial.


    I hate it here!


    Then why do you exist here?


    :D

    Seriously, the person going into the forum for discussing the Trek movies from ST09 onwards with the sole intent of bashing them is not being 'followed around' when other people in the forum respond to their posts.
     
  7. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Why would anyone "heckle" him for not liking Abrams's Trek movie? He loved it:

     
  8. DalekJim

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    I'd say a lot of great shows age perfectly fine. I'm in my early 20s and watching The Avengers, Blake's 7 and I, Claudius at the moment. All of which feel very fresh.

    Of course, there are shows like TNG which feel kinda dated early on. TOS and DS9 have aged perfectly in comparison.
     
  9. yousirname

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    TOS has so not aged perfectly lol. Which is nothing against TOS at all, audiences just weren't that versed in the language of visual narrative, so you get very clunky spell-it-all-out exposition and so on (Kirk's retrospective log entry at the start of The Enemy Within being one truly glaring example). And incredibly intrusive scoring.
     
  10. M'Sharak

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    Seriously, though - when has Star Trek in film ever really been about those things?

    Your opinions might not be getting the reception you'd prefer, but you personally are not being spat on for anything. When you insist upon defiantly spitting into the wind, then that's all on you, as the saying goes.


    Taunting, however, as you do here:
    ... and here:
    ... and here:
    ... is something from which you've been asked before to refrain, so here's one last reminder to knock that off.
     
  11. The Wormhole

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    It may not be easy, but I don't think Abrams even tried to find one.
     
  12. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    True fact: Rachel Nichols is naturally green and uses make up in most roles to hide this.
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    ^^You'll say anything to defend Abrams!

    Ironically, I'll say anything to diss him, but that's not the point.
     
  14. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    Look, if you hate green people that's your problem. Just, don't try and hide it behind Abrams-bashing.
     
  15. The Wormhole

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    No! Abrams, the childhood rapist must answer for his crimes!

    I mean, I don't hate green people. In fact, I pointed out how offensive it was Abrams depicted all his green women as sluts.
     
  16. Lt. Cheka Wey

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    Nothing wrong with a healthy libido.
     
  17. Admiral Buzzkill

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    It's never really been terribly good at that on television, either - it's just a fairly smart adventure series with pretensions.
     
  18. Nerys Myk

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    Right. Some of your best friends are green. Typical.
     
  19. Personally, I wouldn't be happy if I truly believed Abrams' movie literally caused Star Trek's 'classic' timeline to vanish. Yes, as some of you have pointed out, it is fiction, but still, it would annoy me. However, I'm pretty sure that the timeline is simply an alternate reality, such as the various alternate realities/universes seen in the TNG episode, "Parallels."
     
  20. Opus

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    NOT TRUE.

    Everyone knows all green women are named Kelly...