Law & Order:SVU-Has It Gone Down The Crapper?

Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Knight Templar, May 11, 2012.

  1. MacLeod

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    Isn't L&O: UK?

    So which would say are the best characters from the L&O universe?

    I might have to go with

    Law: Briscoe
    Order: McCoy
     
  2. gazomg

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    Law. Robert Goren
     
  3. Ríu ríu chíu

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    Mothership: Briscoe, Green, Lupo

    SVU: Munch, Cragen

    CI: Goren, Eames, sometimes Logan

    LA: Morales, TJ
     
  4. Knight Templar

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    Anyone heard that the character of John Munch has appeared on more TV series than any other?

    Homicide: Life on the Street.

    Law & Order:SVU
    Law & Order
    Law & Order: Trial By Jury
    The X-Files

    And several more police shows as well.
     
  5. gazomg

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    thats right, he was ion around 15 shows all as john munch ( thats including saturday night live, arrested development and the wire
     
  6. Scroogourner

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    Munch is Tommy Westphall's number one guy.
     
  7. Danny99

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    The thing with Stabler and Benson is that they never and in Benson's case, continue to, remain stagnant as characters. I often commented how often perps would die in their custody, far more than I believe would be found acceptable to any current police force. Call it bad writing, call it a lack of acting talent, but that dragged the show down.

    It's sad that Belzer doesn't want more screen time, but I think the show could have survived with only one of Pino or Giddish coming in. I for one would have liked to see Meloni teamed up with Giddish.
     
  8. Data Holmes

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    I never watched LA, but I agree with what you said about the other shows...

    It is so sad that Jerry Orbach passed.
     
  9. Mr Pointy Ears

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    I stopped watching the show ages ago.
     
  10. Knight Templar

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    I agree.

    Some of the stuff that Stabler and Benson have pulled over the years was in Vic Mackey territory.

    Of course, that doesn't trump Detective Danny Reagan on "Blue Bloods". He routinely assaults people in his custody. Of course, given you're the Police Commissioners oldest son (and grandson of another PC) then you could probably get away with some stuff.
     
  11. Ríu ríu chíu

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    Spoiler about the season finale (next week):

    Dann Florek says it's the bloodiest cliffhanger they've ever done. He hinted that not everyone makes it out alive. Now we know that Fin and Benson survive, because Ice-T and Mariska are signed for season 14. And there's no way they kill off Rollins or Amaro, since they just got here. So that leaves Munch and Cragen...and if they kill off Cragen I'll be some kind of pissed. :scream:
     
  12. Ríu ríu chíu

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    More spoilers:

    - None of the main cast members were killed off.

    - However: A dead hooker - slit throat - was placed in Cragen's bed, and there's blood on his hands.

    - This dead hooker was a key witness in the war between two rival escorts/pimps.

    - Implication is that the ex-SVU detective, Cassidy, did it. Cassidy was working for one of the pimps, albeit undercover - though he didn't say who he was working for. He would know how to get into Cragen's apartment and plant the body there.

    - I highly doubt the intent was to frame Cragen for the hooker's death; her throat was slit, but unless somebody discovers the murder weapon (which we never saw), there'd be no way to prove Cragen did it. As for how the blood got on his hands: probably was put there by whoever put the girl's body in the bed. I mean, we all know Cragen is not a murderer, and if he HAD done it, there'd be blood all over him and the bed, not just his hands. It was probably just to send a message, like the horse head in The Godfather.

    Does anyone know if there have been any confirmed departures from the show? AFAIK, the only characters who are definitely returning are Fin and Benson since their actors have signed contracts for next year. And I highly doubt they'll let the newbies (Amaro and Rollins) go, they're the future of the show.

    Richard Belzer may or may not be back. Munch didn't appear in the finale, nobody even mentioned his name...
     
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  13. Knight Templar

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    This show has been around for 14 years. I don't think it has a future.
     
  14. Ríu ríu chíu

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    ^ It's always been the highest rated of any L&O show. I don't know how it's fared now that it's the only L&O-verse show out there, but it has been renewed for a 14th season, so obviously it does have some kind of future.
     
  15. Tiny Timby

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    Your first point really isn't true; in terms of overall viewership, SVU peaked at averaging about 14.8 million viewers per episode in Season 4, while Vanilla beat those numbers from Season 10 through Season 14.

    Nowadays? SVU's ratings are abysmal. Season 13 averaged fewer viewers than the terrible numbers that got Los Angeles canceled -- I believe the season averaged something like 6.8 million viewers, with an 18 - 49 rating of 1.9.
     
  16. PsychoPere

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    A little more detail on ratings...
     
  17. gazomg

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    was not a bad show overall................keeps the interest ticking over
     
  18. Ríu ríu chíu

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    So what did everyone think of the season finale? I grew very weary, very fast, of the "powerful political connections" angle, but other than that, it was OK. I hope none of the characters leave.
     
  19. gazomg

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    looks like creegan is on his way out.......shame always liked his character
     
  20. Tiny Timby

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    It feels like all of the writers from Seasons 6 - 12 were locked in a cellar, and they asked to write just one scene, the new writers acquiesced, and then that happened.

    Honestly, that final scene read like a setup to write out Cragen in the Season 14 premiere. Hargitay was supposed to move to a part-time role after the first half of Season 13, but it was decided to keep Benson as a lead after reactions to Amaro and Rollins were rather cool. There have been so many subplots about the administration threatening to yank Cragen's command that this really feels like the payoff -- Cragen is fired (or, more likely, retires), Benson becomes the new unit captain.