La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Harvey, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. Tallguy

    Tallguy Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Location:
    Beyond the Farthest Star
    Someone was trying such a project. Well, a couple people were. It's harder than it looks.

    D'oh! Yesterday was the 47th anniversary of recording City on the Edge of Forever! I have some writing to do!
     
  2. Cap'n Claus

    Cap'n Claus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2002
    Location:
    ssosmcin
    I have to say, it really is a lot tougher than it sounds. Some episodes use music from more than one episode to create a new cue, or two or three cues from the same episode cobbled into one. I made a Corbomite Maneuver edit and it was a total pain in the ass. I couldn't begin to write down what cues I used, the duration's and so on. I was going to do Balance of Terror, but it’s worse. And some of the “firing at the Romulan” music is so disjointed with VERY obvious cuts that it makes for a crappy listening experience.

    Major props to the music editors on the series, who had to do it with razor and tape (and under strict deadlines). We at least have easy to use audio editing programs and spare time.
     
  3. doubleohfive

    doubleohfive Fleet Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2001
    Location:
    Hollywood, CA
    Personally, (and I know this will come as quite a shock to all of you) I am quite content with listening to the music as presented by the guys at LaLaLand; if I want to listen to the episode scores from the episodes themselves, I'll watch the show. The music however, as presented on the set, is perfectly acceptable and quite delightfully entertaining on its own.
     
  4. DonIago

    DonIago Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2001
    Location:
    Burlington, VT, USA
    You think that's bad? I just listen to my iPod on shuffle while I'm at work. :p
     
  5. feek61

    feek61 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2011
    Location:
    The Sunshine State
    I agree. I actually prefer listening to it as it was originally recorded as opposed to the episode edits. It is interesting to see what the editors did but I too am quite content to hear those edits only in the episodes.

    I couldn't agree more. After waiting for so long (and thinking that it would never happen) I must say that I am not disappointed at all and in fact; this was one of the best purchases I have ever made for the value. I have listened to the entire set 4 times start to finish and a ton of parts of the set. When my ipod is on shuffle and one of these selections comes up it ALWAYS makes me happy!! I am a little surprised that it has not yet sold out but I have mine so I'm good!! :)
     
  6. Cap'n Claus

    Cap'n Claus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2002
    Location:
    ssosmcin
    There are some edits I like and almost expect because of all the years I've heard them a certain way. So it's cool for me to recreate a few of them. I'll probably never do another full episode recreation, but a few bits here and there - like the last moments of All Our Yesterdays and putting the music cue from the original opening credits of WNMHGB in the scene where Mitchell recovers from the force field on Delta Vega.

    For the most part, I listen to them in the order in which they were put on the discs.
     
  7. Cap'n Claus

    Cap'n Claus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2002
    Location:
    ssosmcin
    I was thinking of this post while watching Errand of Mercy this morning. The opening Klingon attack on the Enterprise is a perfect example of the piecemeal assembly of music to create a great effect on screen...but a lousy listening experience on its own. To create music for this short sequence, cues from the following episodes were cut up and edited together into one piece:

    WNMHGB: When Your Eyes Have Turned to Silver
    WNMHGB: Power Mad
    The Naked Time: Lurch Time
    WALGMO?: Ruk Attacks
    WNMHGB: Situation Grave

    All for a 40 second sequence. So, I can totally understand why nobody is anxious to put together an index of every episode's tracked cues....
     
  8. BeatleJWOL

    BeatleJWOL Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2012
    Location:
    Winston-Salem, NC
    I would gladly do it if I had a reliable source to work from; with reports of the Blu-Ray 7.1 audio being wildly incorrect in some places and no reliable audio rip of a "correct" source available, though...
     
  9. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    New York State
    I have the set, but I would get interested in episode-edits only for scenes I love musically. Like the medley of love themes when Kirk pleads with Rayna in "Requiem." They threw in the kitchen sink for that one, but it's a beautiful sink. :bolian:
     
  10. TV's Frank

    TV's Frank Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA USA
    Instead of going the route of creating episode-specific sequencing of tracks, I've been working on just compilations of highlights per season. I initially assembled three CD's, one for each season, each about 78 minutes in length. Some scores were easier than others to pare down, I was trying for 6-7 minutes per score, but some titles, such as "Friday's Child", "Amok Time" and "The Paradise Syndrome" deserved longer suites at around 10 minutes each.

    However, after listening to these often, I think they might be too crammed and needing some space, so I might create 2-disc highlight sets for each season....

    Below is my Season 1 Highlights, the single disc version:

    Star Trek: The Original Series - First Season Highlights

    "The Cage": Main Title
    "The Cage": Probing/Monster Illusion/Monster Fight/The Kibitzers
    "The Cage": Vina's Dance
    "Where No Man Has Gone Before": Beyond the Pale (No Man Before)/Main Title
    "Where No Man Has Gone Before": Power Mad/Situation Grave/Epilogue
    "Where No Man Has Gone Before": End Title - End Credits
    "The Corbomite Maneuver": Radiation/Cube Radiation/Baby Balok/Fesarius Approaches
    "Mudd's Women": Space Radio
    "The Enemy Within": The Rock Slide*/Beam Up*/The Evil Kirk
    "The Enemy Within": Confrontation
    "The Enemy Within": What to Do?
    "The Enemy Within": Another Brandy/The Evil Grin/Double Dog Death
    "The Enemy Within": Two Into One
    "The Enemy Within": One Captain Kirk/Thank You, Yeoman
    "The Man Trap": Circle One/Monitor Gizzard/Down Again/Grey to Greene
    "The Naked Time": Out of Control/Lurch Time/Punchy Kid
    "The Naked Time": The Big Go
    "The Naked Time": Time Reverse*/Future Risk and End Title
    "Charlie X": Space Orbit/Charlie X/That's a Girl
    "Charlie X": Kirk's Command/Charlie's Mystery/Charlie's Gift
    "Charlie X": Zap Sam/Zap the Pistol
    "Charlie X": Goodbye Charlie/Finale
    "Balance of Terror": Romulan Warship / Romulan Theme / Centurion
    "What are Little Girls Made Of": Meet Andrea / Big Ruk / Ruk Protests
    "The Conscience of the King": Lenore
    "The Conscience of the King": Play-On #2*/Quick Ship*/Phaser Overload
    "The Conscience of the King": Go for Baroque
    "The Conscience of the King": Opheliamania*/Bridge #2*/Last Cue
    "Shore Leave": Knight/Joust
    "Shore Leave": 2nd Ruth/Ruth to Commercial
    “Shore Leave": A Clue/Finnegan's Return/The Leg Trick/Dirt Trick
    "The City on the Edge of Forever": Edith's Theme
    Impension (First Season Library Music)
    End Title* (electric violin version)
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2014
  11. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    New York State

    That's a good idea. I should make my own greatest hits CDs from the set. Your 2 and 3 lists would not go unappreciated. :bolian:
     
  12. TV's Frank

    TV's Frank Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA USA
    No problem, happy to share!

    Star Trek: The Original Series - Second Season Highlights

    1. "Charlie X": Main Title* (cello version, arr./cond. Steiner)
    2. "Catspaw": Orbiting Ship*/Fog Planet
    3. "Catspaw": Racial Memories/Captain Kirk/Mace Fight
    4. "Catspaw": Wand-Breaking/The Prototypes/Five to Beam Up
    5. "Metamorphosis": Shuttlecraft/Shuttle Helpless
    6. "Metamorphosis": Cochrane
    7. "Metamorphosis": It's Her/Loveliness
    8. "Friday's Child": Capella IV
    9. "Friday's Child": Distress Signal
    10."Friday's Child": Sonic Ambush/Bouncing Boulder
    11."Friday's Child": Kras on the Rocks/Paternity Case/New Capellan in Town
    12."Friday's Child": Forfeit
    13."Friday's Child": Coochy Coo/Godfathers
    14."Who Mourns for Adonais?": Apollo's Temple #2
    15."Who Mourns for Adonais?": Apollo's Kiss/Apollo's Storm/Final Battle
    16."Amok Time": Episode Title*/Mr. Spock/Log
    17."Amok Time": Processional
    18."Amok Time": The Ancient Combat/2nd Kroykah
    19."Amok Time": Resignation*/Lazarus Returned/Pig's Eye
    20."The Doomsday Machine": Goodbye M. Decker
    21."The Doomsday Machine": Kirk Does It Again/One's Enough
    22."Mirror, Mirror": Blackship Theme/The Agonizer
    23."Mirror, Mirror": Blackship in Space/Blackship Underscore
    24."Mirror, Mirror": Evil Kirk
    25."Mirror, Mirror": Goodbye Marlena
    26."I, Mudd": Harry Mudd/Mudd's Series
    27."I, Mudd": Mudd's Detention/Stella 500
    28."The Trouble with Tribbles": The Muzak Maker
    29."The Trouble with Tribbles": Bartender Bit/Big Fite
    30."The Trouble with Tribbles": Dead Heap!/Close That Door/Hissing Tribbles/Poor Jonesy/No Tribble at All
    31."By Any Other Name": More Neutralizer
    32."By Any Other Name": Rojan's Revenge/Rojan's Blocks/Broken Block
    33."Return to Tomorrow": The Voice
    34."Return to Tomorrow": Who Are You/The Globes
    35."Return to Tomorrow": Thalassa Recalls
    36."Return to Tomorrow": Last Moments
    37."Patterns of Force": Military Mite (Nazi March)
    38.Fight on Captain's Theme (Second Season Library Music)
    39.Sad and Thoughtful on Captain's Theme (Second Season Library Music)
    40.End Title*
     
  13. TV's Frank

    TV's Frank Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA USA
    And last but not least... you'll probably notice I decided to place the scores in production order, instead of air date order, just for variety's sake.

    Star Trek: The Original Series - Third Season Highlights

    1. Main Title* (soprano version, stereo; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch)
    2. "Spock's Brain": Alien Ship/Meet Kara
    3. "Spock's Brain": Communicators/Scientific Fight
    4. "The Enterprise Incident": Aberrated Captain*
    5. "The Enterprise Incident": Unfair Exchange
    6. "The Enterprise Incident": Ear Bob
    7. "The Paradise Syndrome": Episode Title/Puzzled Kirk/Miramanee/Maximum Warp/Engine Strain
    8. "The Paradise Syndrome": Bad Memory*/Breath of Life*/The New God/Deflection
    9. "The Paradise Syndrome": Check-Up/Death to a False God/Mind Fusion
    10."And the Children Shall Lead": Triacus*/What Goes Kids?
    11."And the Children Shall Lead": Last Whammy
    12."Is There in Truth No Beauty?": Enter Marvick/Enter Miranda
    13."Is There in Truth No Beauty?": Ambassador Arrival/My Life Is Here/I Must Know/Starship Party
    14."Is There in Truth No Beauty?": Marvick Mad/Marvick Berserk/Marvick Dies
    15."Spectre of the Gun": Melkots' Warning*/Hailing Frequencies*
    16."Spectre of the Gun": We're Trapped/Shoot Out, Part 1
    17."Spectre of the Gun": Shoot Out, Part 2/Kirk Wins!
    18."Spectre of the Gun": Final Curtain
    19."Plato's Stepchildren": Episode Titles
    20."Plato's Stepchildren": Delirium Parmen's
    21."Plato's Stepchildren": Slap Unhappy
    22."Plato's Stepchildren": The Little Visitor
    23."The Empath": Lost Trio/Enter Gem/The Vians/Kirk Stunned/Force Field/Kirk Healed
    24."The Empath": Cave Exit/Star Trek Chase/Slow Motion Kirk
    25."The Empath": Vians' Farewell/Off Again
    26."The Empath": Empath Finale
    27."Elaan of Troyius": Mission to Elas/Meet Kryton/Meet Elaan
    28."Elaan of Troyius": Realization/Battle Stations
    29."Elaan of Troyius": Battle Music
    30."Elaan of Troyius": Thematic Bridge*/Goodbye Elaan/Kirk in Command
    31."Whom Gods Destroy": Arab Hootch Dance (Hootchie Kootchie)
    32."Requiem for Methuselah": Pseudo Brahms Esq.
    33."The Way To Eden": Far Out Jam
    34."The Savage Curtain": Drums/Salute to Our President Fanfare
    35.End Title* (soprano version, stereo; arr. Courage, cond. Hatch)
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2014
  14. Tallguy

    Tallguy Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    May 2, 2005
    Location:
    Beyond the Farthest Star
    It's been a while since I was really paying attention to this but "production order" puts scores OUT of the order they were recorded in. ;) e.g. Corbomite was recorded AFTER Charlie X, The Naked Time, Mudd’s Women, and The Enemy Within.
     
  15. TV's Frank

    TV's Frank Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2002
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA USA
    Very true, I noticed that when re-doing these compilations and checking the recording dates in the CD liner notes... I guess there are a variety of ways one can gather this music together for presentation! :)
     
  16. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles, California
    That's because Corbomite was filmed early, but took forever to complete in post-production.
     
  17. ZapBrannigan

    ZapBrannigan Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Location:
    New York State
    I just listened to "The Paradise Syndrome" CDs back to back. First the LLL and then the Royal Philharmonic.

    In the LLL, I think I'm hearing a harpsichord during Spock's climactic mind meld, although it isn't listed in the orchestra credits.

    The original is of course unbeatable. "Miramanee" is better at the original tempo, as many have observed; it gets her lively youth across. "Forest Montage" is the most important cue that the Royal Phil omitted. And "Miramanee's Death" plays out more effectively in the original. I got into it and actually welled up a little. It's great.

    That said, I still got tremendous enjoyment out the Royal Phil. It's a tight, highlights-only presentation, so the 20 minutes go by fast. In a sense, it's like when you skip the previously unreleased atonal cues in THE WRATH OF KHAN. And I'm not tired of this music as the LLL comes to a close, so the re-recording is like an encore.
     
  18. Cap'n Claus

    Cap'n Claus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2002
    Location:
    ssosmcin
    This set is the gift that keeps on giving. It still gets repeated play, some episodes more than others, but maybe two days – maximum – go by without my dipping into the music. Really thought I’d be over it by now, but nope. Not yet.
     
  19. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    That's because the score is just about the last thing done, after the editing and effects have been completed -- otherwise the composer won't know what he or she is scoring to. And as Harvey said, "Corbomite"'s effects work took a long time to complete, which is why it was aired so late in the season.
     
  20. Cap'n Claus

    Cap'n Claus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2002
    Location:
    ssosmcin
    It’s really interesting how they chose what music to track in the second season. After the initial batch of episodes were scored, certain types of episodes would have a lot of music from the same source. For example (and this isn’t all inclusive or without exceptions):

    Space based/combat/Starfleet centric episodes would have a lot of music from The Doomsday Machine (Obsession, The Ultimate Computer, The Immunity Syndrome, The Deadly Years).

    Episodes with lots of countryside location shooting and primitive tribes would get the similar sounding Friday’s Child/Catspaw music (A Private Little War jumps out at me).

    Episodes with arena style combat: Amok Time fight music (Gamesters of Triskelion, Bread and Circuses, The Omega Glory)

    And the phaser firing finale of The Apple’s similarities to Who Mourns for Adonias? Are reinforced by the use of that episodes score from the same scene, just a little differently and enhanced by library cues from The Cage.

    The other two seasons more freely mixed and matched the music, with less thematic emphasis. For example, a lot of the music from Spock’s Brain was reused repeatedly in the back half of the third season. The last few episodes opened with the same cue. The first season also just put in whatever seemed right for the moment. However, the second season was interesting in its thematic unity.