La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Harvey, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    ^Yeah, I noticed that. I would've rather had clean, isolated cues all the way through (aside from leaving in the important "sweeteners" like that powerful cello sting when Miramanee dies).
     
  2. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    ^Disappointing.:thumbdown:
     
  3. BeatleJWOL

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    These things happen. Had the cues all been released clean, you would have had arguably more people complaining that it didn't match the episode exactly.
     
  4. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    ^In that case, you should have both versions... then no complaints.
     
  5. BeatleJWOL

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    I like the way you think.

    So do the lawyery types who earn piles'o'money when you have the same piece twice on a record release, which of course passes the buck onto the consumer. Sadly.
     
  6. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    ^LA LA Land should issue a bonus disc or discs with the complete cues, stings, overdubs and an apology for their lack of inclusion in an otherwise complete set. As is, the set has been falsely advertised. People (like me) bought the set based on the marketing and are disappointed. I wish I could return mine as everyday I am even more disappointed as I get deeper into the set. Sorry, but that is how I feel.
     
  7. Ssosmcin

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    Having even more CDs with duplicate tracks, resulting in a higher cost just to have two different edits would cause no complaints? No, that would be even worse. Honestly, I would have preferred to keep the cues separate. Those who wanted to combine them could, very easily. Much more easily than have clean edits the other way. However, as an album just for listening, I can see why they chose to recreate how it sounded in the episodes.

    Sadly, there would always be complaints, no matter how the set came out.
     
  8. JimZipCode

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    Well now wait, does that make sense? IndySolo reiterated over and over, that they used the original takes from the recording sessions; and that he used the laserdiscs to confirm which take was actually used in the episode(s). So then theoretically there would be no cues that were later assembled via editing, with only a couple of exceptions, like adding the cello sweetener to Miramanee's Death.

    That would indicate that Force Field and Silver Orbs were actually performed together during the Where No Man recording session, running into each other without a break, as heard on the set. Wouldn't it? We keep talking as if there are "original separate tracks", but I don't see why that assumption needs to be true. There may be none, except for alternate takes during rehearsal/recording.

    And then if there's a different version of Force Field heard in Lights of Zetar, there should be a corresponding third season library cue in the set. (Unless Courage reworked it into a cue in the Enterprise Incident or Plato's Stepchildren scores.)
     
  9. BeatleJWOL

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    A very good point. There's no "mixing" credit in the liner notes, just "Digital Transfers", "Audio Restoration", "Digital Mastering" and "Additional Engineering". Has Mike Matessino posted on here or on the FSM forums?
     
  10. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    My money is on Neil as the "editor/mixer"... I wager 5000 quatloos!

    Maybe if he ever comes in here again, we can find out. At any rate, apparently a lot of what was reiterated over and over was not entirely accurate... and that really grates on me. What I don't understand is why bother to make up a bunch of crap just to tick people off ultimately? Why? Just a money grab to sell discs? I hope not...
     
  11. BeatleJWOL

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    Now now. Every note recorded for the show is present. Just whether or not it's crossfaded with other notes, y'see...

    As a side note, I would certainly work very hard to come back and visit somewhere I was being accused of making up a bunch of crap, or making a money grab...not.
     
  12. JimZipCode

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    That's just a huge leap to make. I don't understand why you would be in such a rush to make it. Especially when you haven't listened to the master tapes, haven't read the cue sheets, etc.

    In the case of the "Force Field" question, what we know is that there is an unidentified cue at the beginning of Lights of Zetar. That should be the question; not accusing IndySolo et al of lying about the work they did. (We want the cue sheets anyway.)
     
  13. DonIago

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    Honestly, given the tone of some of the more recent posts here, I wouldn't be surprised if anyone affiliated with the release decided their time was better spent elsewhere. Nobody's obligated to come here and explain anything to us, and to accuse anyone of deliberately misleading people without even the courtesy of asking first is, IMO, not very charitable.
     
  14. Christopher

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    Good grief, do you have any idea how obnoxious you sound? Once more: this is a luxury item. It is not something you were entitled to have. The fact that this set even exists in any form is a miracle, more than any of us had any reason or right to expect would ever happen. You haven't been betrayed or cheated just because it wasn't exactly what you wanted it to be. If you expectanything in life to be exactly what you want, you're hopelessly naive. And you have no call to accuse and insult people just because reality didn't exactly match your expectations.
     
  15. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    My apology for any rush to judgement. I have been waiting for this set for a long time, and obviously I wanted the music. I will attempt to contain my disappointment and be objective... sorry for the outburst.
     
  16. JimZipCode

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    Sure. All of us have: our whole lives, basically.

    I think the constructive thing to do would be to list the cues that we have questions about, or that we are having trouble finding: episode and location in episode, plus cue that it resembles. So for example, the Force Field question that Warlord raised, we would say:

    • Lights of Zetar, in the teaser (add either description of what is happening onscreen with the cue, or the timing when the cue starts). Sounds like "Force Field" from Where No Man, but it seems to end differently.
    ...or whatever.

    Then with a list like that, we can try to identify where the cue might be in the box set. Or, maybe someone who knows something (like IndySolo or Jeff Bond) will come along in the thread and tackle questions. I think we can do that without starting from the presumption that people were lying and stuff was omitted etc etc.

    That's a course of action much more likely to generate answers at some point down the road, as more of us get involved in trying to track down cues, I think.
     
  17. Christopher

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    I don't think it's even really fair to say we've been "waiting" for it, because we had no realistic expectation that it would ever happen. We wished for it, and now, amazingly, we have it.
     
  18. Ssosmcin

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    Questions like this, though, are easy enough to answer. The original GNP album presented that cue and Silver Orbs separately. They were recorded separately so that made sense (Monster Illusion and Monster Fight in The Cage was changed this same way). For this box set, certain cues were joined to reflect how they were presented in the episodes they were composed for. Lights of Zetar used the original cues from Where No Man Has Gone Before, not library versions. So the ending you hear in that episode is how the cue was originally recorded.

    A lot of changes in the box set are made editorially to match original on screen usage. Whether one prefers that approach is another story and an individual preference.

    However, I think your idea is a good one. Maybe a new thread should be created for this rather than taking it onto a 25 page and counting thread. It might also be better if we hope to have Jeff or Neil answer questions. No wading through pages of the other comments.
     
  19. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I like Jim's idea. I agree also that we should start a new thread for analysis. I promise to keep my cool and be constructive there as well. I'm sorry for my outburst.
     
  20. Dalen Quaice

    Dalen Quaice Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    If that is the case, then music is missing. You could not re-create the complete soundtracks to tracked episodes like Lights of Zetar from the box set because the cue is truncated if indeed the cue is taken from Where No Man. So wherever an episode reuses a cue, you will possibly have missing music since you only have the complete cues for specific episodes that are included in the box set, not for additional uses in the series.