La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

Discussion in 'Star Trek - The Original & Animated Series' started by Harvey, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. cbspock

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    What was your favorite and/or most surprising find while you were going through the tapes? What cue were you just dying to find???


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  2. Christopher

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    In high school in the '80s, my chemistry teacher had a poster on his wall that was a 1973 "computer transcription image" of Mr. Spock printed by the Princeton University Computer Center, made up entirely of alphanumeric symbols printed out onto the paper -- with the darker bits being made of multiple letters/numbers/symbols typed on top of each other, something you couldn't do with ASCII text art today. He let me have it when I graduated and I still have it today, though the paper's very yellowed and brittle now and I damaged it a bit just taking it out of the tube to look at it. (EDIT: And a big split just formed in the paper when I tried to roll it up and put it back in the tube. Rats.)

    I found the image online at this page:

    http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/ASCII/

    Turns out what I have is just the top left quadrant of the full image.
     
  3. cbspock

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    The musically derived sound effects, I can't wait to hear them. Have you ever seen the Ben Burtt(sp) sound documentary on the Trek 2009 bluray? He felt a lot of the sounds on the series were musical by nature. The button sounds, etc. He tried to do the same with the reboot.


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  4. cbspock

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    Nice!! I had one of the Enterprise that someone made out of ASCII characters. We had old DEC printer terminals in High School back in the 80s. The good ole days..lol

    Today, fan made images look even better than the effects stills sometimes..lol

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  5. OneBuckFilms

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    I think it would be a fun exercise to see if I can recreate a tracked, or partially tracked episode or two as a playlist. It's what you would do for a fan film, and for a TOS fanfilm, it would really fit perfectly. :)
     
  6. cbspock

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    The Phase 2 guys are going to love this set for their films :p


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  7. Ssosmcin

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    The laserdiscs are the last respositories of the original series sound mix, so they would be the most accurate to reference. Even so, they're not perfect - just miles more authentic than the DVDs and BDs. I still prefer to watch the lasers over the other versions.
     
  8. Indysolo

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    SEASON 2, DISC 2

    Amok Time
    Music Composed and Conducted by Gerald Fried
    Episode #34, Recorded 7/19/67
    Aired #30, 9/15/67

    1. Main Title* (soprano version, enhanced stereo; arr./cond. Courage) 1:01
    2. Enterprise/Prying M11/M12 0:47
    3. Episode Title*/Mr. Spock/Log* M13/M14/M14A 1:59
    4. Deep Thought*/Contrary Order/Prognosis/The Big Question/Message From T’Pring M15/M16–20/M16–20A/M21/M22/M23 5:01
    5. Vulcan Biology/Pon Farr M24/M24A 3:44
    6. More Soup* M26–30B 1:51
    7. T’Pring M32 0:53
    8. Vulcan M33 1:03
    9. Processional M34–40 1:36
    10. The Challenge M41 3:01
    11. War Sash M42 0:43
    12. Ritual/To the Death M43/M44 1:54
    13. The Ancient Combat/2nd Kroykah M51/M52/M52A 5:09
    14. Remorse/Vulcan Logic/Marriage Counseling M53–60/M53–60A/M53–60B 2:48
    15. Resignation*/Lazarus Returned/Pig’s Eye* M61/M62/M63 0:44

    Total Time: 32:46

    *Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry

    The Doomsday Machine
    Music Composed and Conducted by Sol Kaplan
    Episode #35, Recorded 8/30/67
    Aired #35, 10/20/67

    16. Approach of the Enterprise*/Distress Signal/The Ship Search*/The Constellation M11/M12/M13/M13A 2:05
    17. The Dead Ship*/Going Aboard M14/M15 2:00
    18. Commodore Matt Decker/The Crew That Was M16–20/M21 1:59
    19. What Is a Doomsday Machine?/The Planet Killer* M22/M23 2:02
    20. Gaining Speed*/The Strange Beam* M24/M25–30 0:53
    21. No Casualties*/Decker Takes Over M31/M32 2:41
    22. The New Commander*/The Approaching Killer* M33/M33A 1:38
    23. Light Beams*/Tractor Beam M34–40/M41 3:27
    24. Violent Shakes* M42+M42A 2:45
    25. Spock Takes Command/Decker’s Foil/The Sneaky Commodore* M43/M51/M51A 2:44
    26. Goodbye M. Decker* M52/M52A 3:04
    27. Condolences*/Power Drain* M53/M61 1:11
    28. Kirk Does It Again* M62 3:45
    29. One’s Enough* M63 0:24
    30. End Title* (soprano version, enhanced stereo; arr./cond. Courage) 0:47

    Total Time: 31:51

    Total Disc Time: 64:45

    *Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry

    Neil
     
  9. Christopher

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    Okay, so 2/2 contains the same two episodes on GNP's Volume 2, albeit in the opposite order. Previously unreleased cues are:

    "Amok Time"
    Enterprise
    Episode Title
    Log
    Deep Thought
    Prognosis/The Big Question/Message From T’Pring
    Vulcan Biology/Pon Farr
    More Soup (maybe -- see note)
    War Sash
    To the Death
    Vulcan Logic

    "The Doomsday Machine"
    Distress Signal/The Ship Search
    The Dead Ship
    Gaining Speed
    No Casualties
    The Approaching Killer

    There are a lot of discrepancies and typos on the GNP disc. The "Amok Time" program there opens with a 16-second cue called "Vulcan Fanfare" that isn't in the episode, a brash arrangement of the Courage fanfare that's definitely in Fried's brassy style of orchestration. I'm guessing this will be on Disc 5 with the library and unused cues. There's also a cue called "Marriage Council" between "T'Pring" and "Vulcan," which is distinct from the "Marriage Counseling" cue here, which is labeled as "Marriage Council II" on the CD. The "Marriage Council" cue has the same runtime as "More Soup," so it might be the same one.

    Other title errors on the GNP:
    "Processional" is "The Processional"
    "The Ancient Combat" is "Ancient Battle"
    "Approach of the Enterprise" is "Approach of Enterprise"
    "Commodore Matt Decker" is "Commander Matt Decker"
    "What is a Doomsday Machine?" is "What is Doomsday Machine"
    "The Strange Beam" is "Strange Boom" :lol:
    "The Sneaky Commodore" is "Sneaky Commodore"
    "Goodbye M. Decker" is "Goodbye Mr. Decker"
     
  10. KirkPicard

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    My best friend and I would enact our own extemporaneous episodes in the basement, backyard, or my room. In each area, I would set up my battery powered boombox with the Trek music (all on cassette), any scores released to that point, to include all the GNP releases, Label X, and Varese Sarabande scores and the then incomplete movie scores (I-VII) and play out those cues to punctuate what we were imagining. For those cues that were unavailable, such as the recent sample from Catspaw, "Mace Fight", Enemy Within music, and all the other unreleased scores I would attempt to record from TV or later from the discrete audio tracks when the 2 episode DVDs were released for our use. Such a dream come true to finally have the COMPLETE tracks, library cues, and the musically created sound effects. I not only look forward to hearing these tracks in the clear but also reading and savoring the massively researched booklet authored by Jeff Bond. Used to cull his Music of Trek book for all the TOS cues, their names, and the episodes in which they were heard and read all the interviews with the original composers for insight into their timeless work. Again, much gratitude to all who contributed and enjoyed listening to the interview on the way to work this morning.
     
  11. Christopher

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    You know, it's just occurred to me that in a way, I'm glad it took so long for this set to come out. I went to so much trouble in my teens and 20s keeping track of all the TOS music, getting to know the cues and when they were first heard and what composers were credited, so that I could compile a list of which episodes had original music and which composers did which. And I came fairly close, about as close as I could've without behind-the-scenes info. But if a set like this had come out back then, it would've rendered all my hard work moot, and that would've been rather frustrating. As it is, though, it's been long enough since I completed that work that I don't feel it was for nothing. I got the satisfaction of figuring out the basics for myself, and now I'm finally getting to learn so much I couldn't learn before.

    Although I wouldn't have minded if it had come out a decade ago, say -- maybe split the difference.
     
  12. Esteban

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    I hear you, brother. Well-expressed.
     
  13. Indysolo

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    What's fun is making a playlist for each season and then hitting random play. It's just like getting a new tracked episode.

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  14. OneBuckFilms

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    I'll have to try that.

    Trying to imagine a story for the results would be fun also.
     
  15. BeatleJWOL

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    Various cryptic comments that I've seen on Trek sites indicated that at least some of the unreleased material was already in the hands of the Phase 2 crew, maybe courtesy of one person.

    No idea if that's actually the case, though.
     
  16. Maurice

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    ^^^I remain surprised that no one has gone after fan films for distributing/using music they don't have rights to.
     
  17. Christopher

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    Well, the fan films don't have the rights to anything connected to Star Trek -- the title, the character names, the designs, any of it. It's all technically illegal. But the studio has historically tolerated fanfiction as long as its makers don't try to profit from it, because Roddenberry convinced them that it would help maintain audience interest in the property.
     
  18. Maurice

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    But they're engaging in simulacra. Using the actual music is akin to lifting footage out of the shows, so it's a different thing.
     
  19. Christopher

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    A fair point. In that case, I have no explanation.
     
  20. RandyS

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    I agree with you on DS9 and VOYAGER, but I'd argue that the first two seasons of TNG had pretty memorable music. It was around season 3 that the music got bland and forgettable for the most part.