Kirk's Television Enterprise Deck Plans WIP

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Robert Comsol, Nov 28, 2012.

  1. Robert Comsol

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    Sometimes I even amaze myself. :rolleyes: I thought the CGI shot captured the height of the Bridge personnel somewhat accurately and was more helpful to simulate available deck heights.

    THANK YOU! :klingon:

    It’s a wee bit more complicated. The “briefing lounge” we saw first in “The Cage” is on the same deck / set as Pike’s cabin (Pike somehow uses an unseen door of the lounge, crosses it and arrives in the corridor leading to his cabin), compare my draft in this thread for Main Deck 4 (though I’m tempted to locate it on Deck 3 in the next draft – Pike’s little green thingy above his bed just matches too nicely the little porthole on the teardrop). The door of the briefing lounge extends straight into this corridor.

    The “conference lounge” we saw in WNMHGB has a different placement of the ceiling elements on the support struts (IIRC, that’s the transporter chamber ceiling, too), its door only leads to a corridor somewhat surrounding the lounge. These two items suggest we are looking at a different lounge, IMHO.

    Bob

    P.S.

    Just reread my Deck 3 & 4 comments from last year. My rationalization was similar to Mytran's, except that I suggested some space inside the saucer became available for a new briefing room so that the "conference lounge" on Deck 2 could be removed.
     
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  2. Robert Comsol

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    Just a quick heads-up for anybody interested in discussing the interiors and in particular the cabin design, starting at post # 74 in this BBS thread.

    I also just realized, I forgot to feature Ensign Chekov's Deck 5 cabin on the corresponding deck plan draft. According to "The Ultimate Computer" his cabin was neither on Deck 4 or 6. ;)

    Bob
     
  3. Mytran

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    Ahem! That ain't a BBS thread, Bob! ;)

    Did you mean this one?
     
  4. Robert Comsol

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    Ahem...yes (this is the true reason, I screwed up). On the other hand I wanted to see if anybody was paying attention (this would be the "official" explanation :lol:).

    Thanks Mytran!

    Bob
     
  5. ian128K

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    Sorry for resurrecting a seemingly dead thread, but I'm curious if there's been any progress on this project! I really enjoyed reading the thread (though it took me a couple days) and the plans you've been creating look quite good so far.

    I also wanted to make a couple notes, if that's okay! First is that the idea you had for different deck numbering schemes for the two different hulls is not without precedent. On carriers, decks above the main deck are referred to as levels, while those below the main deck are called decks, and they have their own individual numberings. I found a web page that explains this, and even gives a description of the compartment addressing—which look suspiciously similar to the compartment addresses seen on door plaques in the TOS Enterprise. Obviously it's not identical to what you've come up with, but there's enough similarity there that I think you're well justified in using your system.

    Second, since you're accepting the bridge fly-in intro to 'The Cage', I think it's interesting to also note that, peering through the dome, the turbolift door doesn't line up at all with that cylinder on the back of the exterior of the bridge that we tend to think of as being the turbolift. (At least that's what FJ and almost all fan blueprints and deck plans have thought of it as.) This is apparent in that shot on both the original episode and TOS-R episode. It therefore has the captain's chair and helm facing forward along the centreline of the ship, as opposed to the 36° offset from FJ et al. I do think, though, that the cylinder was intended by MJ to be the turbolift, and in those shots it also doesn't look like there's enough room in the rim of the bridge superstructure to house the turbolift in that configuration. But since you've increased the size of the Big E for your deck plans, yours would have enough room. That opens up the possibility of that structure being something other than the turbolift.

    Finally, publish mentioned the possibility of including some Gold Key comics locations, but given how the Enterprise is represented in those comics, I'd advise ignoring them altogether.
     
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  6. publiusr

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    Good idea.
     
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    Befor you for get this that the tv show enterprise ncc 1701 is only 882' long and as for metric it is only 262 M long, if you are looking for the movie ncc 1701A that one is 1000' long. You should read up on this people I had to look it up and people did not


     
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  9. Mytran

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    I'm curious where you got this 882' length from; even if you go by the miniature's length (using the saucer diameter as a benchmark for the "official" 947' length) then it comes out at 938' due to slight irregularities in the way the various components were assembled.

    However, there are several features in TOS (shuttlebay, ceiling height of the sets, the offset turbolift by the Bridge) that point to the Enterprise being considerably larger than the "official" length - anywhere from 1,100' to 1,500' is quite feasible and still not contradicted by an onscreen dialogue
     
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    The 947' length of the ship is visible in a graphic ... so there's that.
    The rest we should assume as 'Hollywood Error'.
     
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    WHICH Enterprise that we see each week? They're all pretty different. (And, the smaller mini has that weird bulb thing. No idea why THAT got to be the offficial artwork for so long.) But, really, when you know that some of the differences are explicitly BECAUSE of the Hollywood issues (like the tall wall heights), you got to start deciding what to wiggle and what to waggle.
     
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    Kind of my point - when it comes to TOS, there is no definitive "that's that" moment. Onscreen graphics that are too blurry to see contrasting with differing model and model designs, internal sets being designed to accommodate 1960s film equipment, tie-in liteary publications that bear little resemblance to what was seen on the show, shuttlecraft with TARDIS-like powers, the list goes on.

    However, this is not necessarily a bad thing, since it gives every viewer the power to interpret TOS to his or own preferences, and everyone's interpretation is as right (or as wrong) and everyone else's!
     
  14. publiusr

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    I like to see everyone's take. I'd have no problem seeing the TAS Ent scaled up to have that huge shuttlebay. How long would that make the whole ship--about JJ size?
     
  15. Mytran

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    I assume you meant TOS Ent?

    If I remember correctly (and it's been a while) then a 947' Enterprise could fit a 84' long flight deck behind the pylons, but the miniature set was scaled to be 120' long. That would put the Enterprise at 1,352' in length

    However, the shuttle itself (while built at around 22', the same size as the scale shuttle in the miniature flight deck) is said by some to be a 2/3 representation of what a "real" shuttle would be if they'd had the budget. Add that to the equations and you get a 1,845' long vessel - still short of the massive JJ-prise which is touted to be 2,357') but rather too big for my tastes as well!

    Or did you actually mean TAS and its whopper shuttle bay seen in Mudd's Passion? If that's the case then I have no figures, sorry!
     
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    According to Roddenberry's description, the TOS shuttledeck could hold a "fleet" of airliners.
     
  17. Mytran

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    That line is from one of the earliest drafts of the series bible (which also featured a 20 deck saucer that would routinely detach for planetary survey missions).
    Bizarrely the line was never updated, even when the size of the ship was more concretely determined.
     
  18. ian128K

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    Ah, I just noticed that the OP hasn't been online since 2014. Apologies for resurrecting this thread. Had I noticed that previously, I wouldn't have done so.