Khan the most dangerous enemy of the original crew?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Noddy, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. Crazy Eddie

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    Right. Sort of like how nobody seemed weirded out by the fact that Kirk had an adult son named David. They knew about it already, or at least knew enough about Kirk to know that he had a son even if they didn't know anything about him.

    Same thing in STID: they knew about OldSpock's time adventures. Which is why Uhura doesn't question him when he asks her to route a call to New Vulcan.

    The game was actually pretty good, it's the comics that have started to get lazy.


    Either way, the tie-in marketting isn't that crucial to the film in the first place; again, Carol and David made their debut in Wrath of Khan and their existence wasn't even HINTED at in the prior Trek novels (or the Animated Series, which for years was also considered a non-canon tie in production).
     
  2. MakeshiftPython

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    Wouldn't be sure if that's comparable. They at least built up to that reveal, so it's not like it came out of nowhere. Similar to the magic blood in STID. Many criticize it, saying it came out of nowhere. Even though I don't like the idea of the magic blood, at least they had built up to that from the beginning, so I give them credit on that.

    Thing is, until he shows up on the viewscreen, you only know that Spock, Kirk, Scotty and his Ewok are the only people aware of him. I'm speaking from the perspective of a viewer who only watches the films and doesn't read any comics or play the video games. In that moment I was a bit thrown off.

    It didn't need to be, as we learn that Kirk promised that he would stay away and he did so by moving on with his life. It's clearly a subject that still guts him to that day, so it's likely something he was never comfortable talking about with anyone, not even his friends. McCoy is certainly aware of that side of Kirk and makes a remark about it, to which Kirk replies "as a physician you of all people should appreciate the danger of re-opening old wounds."
     
  3. Search4

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    So back to the OP. Two words: Doomsday Machine as most dangerous enemy. Eats planets. Neutronium hull. Phasers bounce off.

    I'd like to see Kirk & crew take that on without the Constellation hanging around.
     
  4. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    Can a thing be an enemy? It was a machine, there was no evil or malevolence. It was simply doing what it was designed to do. The "foe" in that episode was Decker.
     
  5. SeerSGB

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    And that's how you send the Nu-Enterprise out in glory and bookend the movies: Kirk piloting the Enterprise down the throat of the Doomsday Machine while the crew evacuates in shuttles.
     
  6. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    But I like the nuEnterprise.
     
  7. ralph

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    is Khan STID the original Khan? This question was on the air in the comic Star Trek:Khan #1.
     
  8. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Is that the comic which just came out recently?
     
  9. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Looks like it so far.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1715752/star-trek-khan-comic-darkness.jhtml

     
  10. ralph

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    Yes. I think it will get more interesting in the next issues.
     
  11. Hartzilla2007

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    Plus looking up historical info on Khan is beyond useless seeing as in Space Seed they did that and Khan still almost killed them all.
     
  12. OpenMaw

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    Erm, no. He really wasn't. He was a hero. :)
     
  13. Crazy Eddie

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    He was kind of both, actually. Despite his lack of malevolence he turned out to be the singular antagonist for the entire episode; his suicide mission into the doomsday machine ACCIDENTALLY revealed a weakness in the machine's design that Enterprise was able to exploit.

    Kirk was the hero. Decker was just the latest in a series of Starfleet captains who crack under the pressure and get everyone killed.