Discussion in 'Voyager' started by RB_Kandy, Sep 23, 2012.
I really liked those episodes of MASH where Hotlips and Hawkeye hooked up until he ruined it.
Just have Troi send her a message, "If you can't handle it, maybe you should consider transfering to a transport ship. There's a lot less pressure there."
I completely agree, the short story "Isabo's Shirt" gives us a scene that really should have been in the show. There was always that sort of unspoken reasoning behind why Janeway didn't pursue a relationship with Chakotay, but it was never explicitly stated. I feel like a scene resembling the events of that story would have given us more clarity and at least something of a 'resolution' to the tension between the two of them.
If they had built it up more during "Endgame" (which really would not have been that difficult) then it could have worked, so long as it wasn't just thrown at us like that other relationship, ugh.
I've seen this in a couple of shows that I've been following for that past few years. I think that with the kind of tension they had (these couples) it was inevitable, but for one it has been filled with challenges and for the other it remains to be seen what becomes of them getting together.
I think it really depends on the nature of the show and the environment that the characters live in. For Janeway and Chakotay it was trying to lead a group of people through an extremely volatile place where they had no idea of what they would encounter. On the one hand I can understand not wanting to pursue a relationship because it could completely mess with the thinking within the Command structure, but on the other hand I think, wouldn't it be good to have that person there for additional support when you really need it?
I'm really looking forward to what the novels have in store for them as well, so long as Janeway doesn't start having kids in the next one! Let her enjoy being back for a bit before she starts having little "angry warriors".
Janeways don't raise their children. They abandon their litters on far off jungle rainforest planets to fend for themselves.
Her reasoning was all wrong for the show and the character. Here she is September 2009, and her reasoning was the audience demographic wouldn't accept her as a Captain who also has relationships. She believed the hype that only young men watched Star Trek, and that young men was the audience they needed.
While the truth is Star Trek and Voyager's demographic was women, who would have loved Janeway in relationships, but not the alien of the week.
Is "Eternal Tide" a new Voyager book and what's so special about that ending? (Give me a spoiler if you don't want to ruin it for future book buyers).
Janeway died a few years ago, in the end of this book she might come back to life somehow maybe.
Either they brought her back or it was a set up cock tease for when they bring her back in the next book, which again might be another set up cock tease for when they bring her back in the book after that...
We should round up all the publicists & advertising executives in the world and drown them.
That is a great line, "like a predator". Really adds something to the scene!
Because she created him too close to her men feelings and fell for him? I do think she would be better off with someone she can completely objectify and not read poetry with. Compartmentalize the lust rather than going for the full banquet.
Why would that have happened?
That's pretty much it in Treklit. People are always on ships for YEARS while their very young children are planetside with a partner or a grandparent. Apparently this does not fuck you up in the 24th century.
Unfit for command.
END OF LINE.
Yes let's put Chuckles in charge.
They would have all settled on some planet within two years.
Fuck them up totally or fuck them up with their absentee parenting?
B'Elanna hating her mum for making dad run away.
Tom hating his dad for making his mum.. Did she leave or die?
Wesley never having the stones to ask Bev if Jean Luc was his real pappy... Hell she left that kid on a ship and went back to Earth for a year! Riker was supposed to be his dad (Guardian), but I think he forgot about it after a week. Teenagers and goldfish. Flush'em or feed'em no difference.
Alexander Roshenko! That kid was basket case.
Of course Kim was the worst example of overparenting ever... Although at least his mum and dad didn't have him surgically altered into a Superman.... Maybe it's just my shitty smallscreen TVs but until his parents turned up I had thought that Julian was white.
Oh gods did you see Jake mooning over Mirror Jennifer Sisko!
Of course death is a different sort of desertion.
You're right, we saw all that in the series. I've just been a bit gobsmacked at the scenes with some minor character sighing over her 3 year old she won't see in years, or whatever in Treklit. There probably is big daddy issues in Treklit as well but I cannot stand reading that stuff.. a lot of Treklit reads like it was written by someone who never had any ties like this but watched a whole lot of daytime television.
Starfleet is so full of itself it's just a given that you will abandon your family for it.
When they rejigged Julian into superman it bleached him.
In "Endgame", Admiral Janeway tells her younger self that Seven marries Chakotay, and that three years from then, she (Seven) will die. She also says that neither Chakotay nor herself will be the same after those events. I was probably exaggerating a bit in the above quoted statement, but from what we learn in the finale, it sounds like any hope of J/C while they were in the DQ was pretty much demolished by those events.
But if she had fallen into his arms in Resolutions that would have changed the future, surely? Of course 7 might have still died and the Admiral would have still made the decisions made in Endgame (since, IMO, it was all about 7) so that would have unfolded in the same manner. But none of that was dependent on 7 and Chak being married.
She would have never "fallen" into his arms in Resolutions; she was still engaged to Mark at the time, and she held onto that until season 4 when she found out that he had married another woman.
Granted, it's probably not all dependent on that, but it still would have had an major impact on them. Death changes people, and not always for the best.
I'm just saying I don't think Endgame proves that J/C would not have happened in the series.
(What the heck.. how did I end up arguing for J/C?!)
Oh and really, isn't Chakotay rather sleazy to be hitting on an engaged woman?
Have you watched Wonderfalls yet?
1t's a 13 episode commitment and thrilling.
They don't have Heisenberg compensator's on their relationship.
Surely knowing that they should get married is only going to make them question free will?
Their only chance to be real people and not slaves to predeterminism is to break up and head in opposite directions.
Admiral Janeway knew this.
Fair enough. (Wait...how am I arguing against J/C?!). But seriously, watching that ep, it seems to me that J/C was pretty much shut down by the C/7 relationship (at least for the time being).
It happens to us all eventually.
In his mind they were stuck on that planet permanently and he was trying to make a good life for them. For most of the episode he was trying to get Janeway to see the bright side of things. He only went into the whole "Angry Warrior" speech after Janeway said that they had to define parameters.
I knew it. It was all about breaking 7/C up so she could have 7 for herself.
13 ep commitment, I'm in.
What a quitter, LOL
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