Joss Whedon's S.H.I.E.L.D to ABC!

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Admiral_Young, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2001
    It seems pretty obvious to me that this series is in the same continuity as The Avengers, set after the movie, and that as far as the series is concerned, Coulson is alive and Fury lied to everyone when he said Coulson had been killed. I see nothing in your "helpful links" to contradict this.
     
  2. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Really, it wouldn't be the Marvel Universe without characters coming back from the dead. Is Clark Gregg's character named Ben Parker? No? Then of course he can come back to life.
     
  3. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2003
    Location:
    Ottawa, Canada
    And CTV just announced landing Canadian broadcast rights.
     
  4. Ruaidhri

    Ruaidhri Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2001
    Location:
    Ruaidhri...Toronto in body, Philly in spirit!
    Good to know.
     
  5. Procutus

    Procutus Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2002
    Location:
    The Prismatic Sector
    I just watched the trailer, that was great! I can't wait to see this in the fall. Damn shame we have to wait that long for it.
     
  6. Crisp Crinkle

    Crisp Crinkle Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2011
    Location:
    Gene's office
    "Welcome to Level Seven," is pretty clearly a declaration that it's the same continuity, as if one was needed at all.
     
  7. Duncan MacLeod

    Duncan MacLeod Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2002
    Location:
    New England
    Fury said Coulson died believing in heroes. He never said he stayed dead.

    My best friend died 25 years ago. Twice. I was talking to him this week. He died on the operating table after a car accident. They brought him back. It didn't take and he died again. They brought him back again. This time it took.

    Modern medicine can work miracles. Not always, but often enough.

    Coulson dies, the med-techs arrive and get him to Emergency. The docs hook him up to a heart machine to keep him going while they repair the damage to his own heart. He's probably in ICU for months, then rehab for even longer. But in the end Phil Coulson walks out of the hospital under his own steam.

    My guess is that in the pilot episode he's just now returning to duty.

    Is this really so difficult a concept to grasp?
     
  8. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2010
    Location:
    Morrowind
    I'm thinking they should go with time travel.
     
  9. ainmneacha_Nollag

    ainmneacha_Nollag Living the Irish dream. Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Location:
    Dimesdan is in The Republic of Ireland
    Just watched the trailer with the other half and we both agree, it doesn't look brilliant and meh!
     
  10. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Then he was never dead at any point to begin with.
     
  11. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2003
    Location:
    Tacoma, Washington
    If the spear had gone through his heart or spine, he would have died instantly. As it obviously didn't, I can see how he could have been saved through modern conventional medicine. That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Joss went with something a little more "out there" to explain it.
     
  12. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    What is "modern conventional medicine" in a universe where flying, cloaked aircraft carriers exist?
     
  13. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Absolutely right. The problem is that fiction simplifies the process of death, both for story convenience and to sanitize it somewhat, and thus people whose only experience with violent death is what they see in the media tend to have a lot of misconceptions about it. In fiction, people -- at least bad guys and extras -- tend to drop dead instantly after being shot or stabbed, but in reality, it's often a lot more gradual depending on where the injury occurs. People have survived being shot by hundreds of bullets or stabbed dozens of times. Some have even survived being impaled through the brain, though not without personality changes.

    There's also the fact that medicine has improved, and thus has pushed back the limits of what constitutes irreversible death. Coulson was in the hands of the medical team moments after he appeared to die, and people in real life have been brought back from worse. And we only have Fury's word over the radio that the medics had "called it," i.e. declared him dead. And we know Fury lies.


    That has been implied in interviews, yes -- that the mystery of Coulson's revival is something that will be developed gradually over the season. So while it could be something as simple as the doctors getting to him in time and being very good at their jobs, it probably won't be.
     
  14. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) Fleet Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2001
    Location:
    If you want it
    Oh, there is no doubt he survived, in spite of what we saw happen in the movie.
     
  15. Duncan MacLeod

    Duncan MacLeod Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2002
    Location:
    New England
    My apologies. I'm sure you know better than the guy who experienced it. And his doctors. :vulcan:
     
  16. Reverend

    Reverend Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Location:
    UK
    I think JarodRussell is laboring under the notion that there is only one degree of "dead". There's dead as in the heart has stopped and ain't about to start again without intervention and then there's brain death...and I think brain stem death too. Legal and medical definitions have shifted over the years as medical science pushed back the point of no return.

    But yeah, regardless this is a comic book show. Bringing a person back from thoracic trauma and a spymaster garnishing the truth of his prognosis is a lot more plausible than a some magical serum that doubles a person's bodymass, makes them bullet proof and allows a human body to survive more than half a century in a glacier.
     
  17. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    Exactly. If you can be revived, you never were actually dead.
     
  18. ATimson

    ATimson Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Location:
    Andrew Timson
    If they weren't dead, why did they need to be revived?
     
  19. Ayelbourne

    Ayelbourne Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2005
    You're only dead when a doctor declares you dead. As long as they try to revive you, they don't view you as dead, obviously.
     
  20. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    See, this is just my point. Death is a more gradual and complicated process than we tend to think, so there's no consensus, even medically or scientifically, on what differentiates being dead from being nearly dead.

    However, there is such a thing as being "clinically dead." Clinical death is the cessation of heartbeat and respiration. This used to be considered just plain death, but now it's often reversible with resuscitation techniques, and there have been cases of spontaneous revival. So these days there are at least two medically recognized categories of "dead" -- clinical and permanent. Essentially clinical death is the first stage of the process of death. Death isn't a single instantaneous event the way we used to believe, but a transition that begins with clinical death and progresses to permanent death, unless it can be interrupted and reversed.

    So Duncan's best friend would indeed have been clinically dead. That's an accepted medical term for his condition at the time. He just wasn't irreversibly dead yet.