Joss Whedon Remains Undecided About ‘Avengers 2′

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  1. Snaploud

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    My guess is that Marvel is playing hard-ball with Whedon. 'Undecided' is code for "the offer isn't good enough yet."
     
  2. Christopher

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    ^Why try to read it as a code or deception of any kind? It makes perfect sense to think that he's genuinely, literally undecided, given that he surely has other options being offered to him and it makes good professional sense to weigh them all. Heck, it would be foolish for him not to keep an open mind at this point. And like I said, it's hardly unusual for a director to say he's undecided about a sequel this early in the game. It's happened numerous times before. Not as melodramatic and juicy as believing there's some secret nastiness going on behind the scenes, but routine things happen more often than dramatic things.
     
  3. DWF

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    It's also pretty common for a director to start planning a sequel even before the first movie has come out. IT is rather odd for Marvel not to have insured his direction of a sequel given how little time they actually have. Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 come out next year and Captain America 2 in 2014, if Marvel still wants two movies a year they better get going on The Avengers 2. Plus there's some doubt about RDJ's involved in the series following Iron Man 3.
     
  4. Sysyphyx

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    lf you were able to read properly through all that red nerd rage of yours you would know that what l said was l never watched it "much". l did watch it enough to get a clue and form an opinion, and l'm standing by my "tweeny bullshit" assessment. So take your little piece of advice and shove it up- nah. l guess l'll be the gentleman here. A good day to you, sir.:p
     
  5. Christopher

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    I don't think you watched nearly enough, then, since "tweeny" doesn't make sense at all. If I interpret that right, you're referring to "tweens," which is a slang term for children between 10 and 12 years old, and that's absolutely not the target audience for Buffy and Angel, which were definitely for older teens and adults only with plenty of sex and violence -- not to mention plenty of mature, sophisticated characterization and exploration of the themes of becoming an adult and facing the responsibilities and painful transitions that come with it. Angel in particular skewed older than Buffy, since it didn't deal with high school or college or maturation and was more about adult characters.
     
  6. Kelthaz

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    "I don't like Buffy" is an opinion.
    "Buffy is tweeny bullshit" is factually incorrect.

    I suggest learning the difference between fact and opinion before joining a discussion.
     
  7. nightwind1

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    I would NEVER consider excellent episodes like "Hush" or "The Body" either tweeny OR bullshit.

    I think some people need to actually WATCH a program before attempting to develop an opinion.
     
  8. Christopher

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    Indeed. "The Body" is one of the most powerful, honest, and innovative works of television drama I've ever seen.
     
  9. Sysyphyx

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    You know, the only reason l came back and quoted the other person is because they had the audacity to try to tell me that l didn't have a place in this discussion. Now, heres another asshole doing the same thing.

    l don't really give a shit lf l offend all of you Buffy freaks with my comments. The fact is, l have one view of the show while you guys have another. Hell, just recently l was on another thread about J.J. Abrams and his Star Trek films where the discussion got sidetracked into LOST, of which l am a huge fan. When people started coming on and bad-mouthing that particular show l didn't tell them "you have no ldea what you're talking about" or "go away". You fucking thread police can kiss my ass.

    And by the way, Kelthaz, the "discussion" l joined here was about Joss Whedon's possible involvement with Avengers 2, not how many cream-pies Buffy gave out in the locker room.:mallory:
     
  10. SalvorHardin

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    Good thing you're mature and above any tweeny bullshit.:lol:
     
  11. Christopher

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    As Kelthaz said, the issue is not whether we were offended, but whether your assumptions were factually valid. You're clearly approaching this dialogue from a purely emotional point of view, so you're assuming it's strictly a matter of (vehement) opinion; but the facts are the facts no matter how strongly anyone feels about them. A responsible person will make a basic effort to understand the objective facts first and then formulate an opinion based upon those facts. And all we're doing is informing you that you're grossly in error about the objective facts of what Buffy and Angel are. Not about whether they were good or worthwhile shows, but simply about what kind of shows they were. You describe them as "tweeny," which implies that you think they were intended for children age 10 to 12. That is objectively incorrect, since both shows had considerable violent and sexual content and were highly inappropriate for children of that age.

    So this has nothing to do with whether you've offended anyone. It's simply about whether you have your facts straight, which you do not. If you said that Norway was in the Southern Hemisphere and a Norwegian poster corrected you, that would not be because you had offended that poster, but simply because your statement was objectively untrue. Not every conversation is about opinions and emotions. Facts are more fundamental.
     
  12. Sysyphyx

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    ^^^As long as that Norwegian poster doesn't tell me l don't belong here, we can argue about geography all day long.:)
     
  13. Christopher

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    ^It's sad that you think even matters of objective fact should be argued over as if they were matters of opinion.

    And if you don't belong here, it's not because you don't like Buffy, it's because you're needlessly hostile and abusive toward people who disagree with you. Keep that up and the moderators will want a word with you.
     
  14. Sysyphyx

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    So go ahead and report me. The fact of the matter is, l came here to espouse my own personal opinion, which l have the right to do on any forum, and certain people took one thing that l said, which THEY vehemently disagreed with, and turned it hostile, using it against me to make me feel unwelcomed here.
     
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    Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM.

    You are more than welcome to express your opinions, but there are guidelines as to just how.
     
  16. inflatabledalek

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    I think Marvel's great strength in putting their film world together has been they've had the faith in the characters to sell the movies so they haven't felt the need to bring in much in the way of obvious "Big Names" either as the leads or behind the cameras.

    Most of their directors wouldn't have been the first choice for big tentpole movies (even if they'd have been the fan choice), and on that score it's worked out great for Wheedon. The Avengers has saved his career from the very real danger of going down the Chris Carter path.

    And he was equally good for the film. The problem (or advantage if you regard the sort of fee that, say, Michael Bay can claim for each Transformers film as obscene) is the director doesn't have very much negotiation leverage. Marvel/Disney have the confidence to know they can find some fresh faced and, yes, cheaper, director who they can be sure will make a successful film for them.

    As for if The Avengers is as good as the hype... I don't think any film that succesful ever can live up to its reputation. But despite me not finding it perfect (the big city battle lost a lot of impact for me from being so similar to the one in Dark of the Moon) it was a damn fun movie.
     
  17. Christopher

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    Well, I haven't seen that Transformers movie, but there were a couple of features about the Avengers Manhattan battle that stood out for me and that I doubt would've been true of a Michael Bay action sequence:

    1) The focus stayed on the characters. Although there was plenty of destruction porn, the characters of the Avengers and their particular traits remained at the forefront of our attention: Captain America inspired and led people, Widow was fearless and resourceful, Hulk was mainly in it for the smashing but came through for his teammates when it counted, etc. The most important beats weren't explosions and crashes, but character moments.

    2) The civilians weren't ignored. The heroes' first priority, as it should be for superheroes, was to protect the innocent and rescue the endangered. Even in the middle of this huge apocalyptic battle, they were taking the time to free people trapped in buses and coordinate evacuations and rescue hostages and so on.
     
  18. Sysyphyx

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    Oooh. l'm real scared.

    So apparently, on this forum, the guidelines only apply to people who express their opinions and then defend themselves when they are called out by other members who form the differing Majority. Wow. Sounds like a fascist regime to me. Fuck the lot of ya.
     
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