Janeway's Decision to Kill Tuvix

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  1. Third Nacelle

    Third Nacelle Captain Captain

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    I wonder if Tuvok even lit a candle for Tuvix, like he did for Kes?
     
  2. Sadara

    Sadara Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I think it should be noted that for those considering Tuvix an entire civilization, it bears mentioning he is also a functionally extinct one. His civilization has no future beyond his own death.

    And this thread has survived longer than Tuvix too.
     
  3. Fruitcake

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    Those people are Federation traitors, they're lucky they are even allowed to touch Federation metal like that.
     
  4. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Commodore Commodore

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    They sang the Vulcan funereal hymn, "Amazing Grace." Torres played it on the Klingon bagpipes. Chakotay's tattoo wept. Neelix did not wish to attend, but was ironically hire to cater.
     
  5. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No, no, no!

    THIS THREAD WAS DEAD AND BURIED!
     
  6. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You mean it was murdered don't you?
     
  7. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You can murder with neglect?
     
  8. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Three weeks. Not dead, not even in stasis. Probably stopped off at Risa on the way home with the milk.
     
  9. R. Star

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    Tuvix became immortal the moment he was murdered.
     
  10. Kevman7987

    Kevman7987 Captain Captain

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    This thread has gone on long enough. In the same bullshit way Tuvok and Neelix live on in the creepy-ass Tuvix, Tuvix creepy-ass memory lives on in Tuvok and Neelix.

    I don't view Tuvix as a new, separate being; Tuvok and Neelix became one and then were split back into two. Tuvok and Neelix now both have memories of Tuvix time on the ship. Technically, they just happened to do the exact same things, at the same times, in the same place for those few days as far as they are both concerned. There is not 3 people involved, only 2.

    I also can't believe some people on this forum are comparing ENT: Similitude to this episode...
     
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  11. MacLeod

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    This is one of those episodes that I don't think the fans will ever agree on. Though if it set out to spark debate it worked.
     
  12. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Yes. A martyr to the Janeway is Satan crowd.
     
  13. JanewayRulz!

    JanewayRulz! Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That would have been illogical. :vulcan:
     
  14. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You know who I feel I fricking sorry for?

    Captain Planet.

    They pulled a Tuvix on him every week.

    Sure all he said was "With your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!" But where did his gimp "save-the-day,-now-you-can-murder-me-without-saying-thank-you" personality come from? That was the kids personalties mushed up into a perfect fieldslave ball... I think I remember an episode where they made Captain Planet without "the heart ring" and Captain Planet still saved the day, but he was a real asshole about it.
     
  15. Kevman7987

    Kevman7987 Captain Captain

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    I swear I also remember that...
     
  16. R. Star

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    Janeway is not Satan. She only serves him. She even said so one episode. ;)
     
  17. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    She's just playing him, waiting for the right time to strike, and take over.
     
  18. picardo

    picardo Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Anyone who's hired as captain, or anyone who's in a position of authority for that matter, must make controversial decisions, that's why they're appointed to be captain, it's their job to make a decision whether subordinates like it or not. There will always be disent and disagreement over decisions, but it's not the role of a captain to please everybody.
     
  19. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

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    True.

    But they are not put into a position to murder someone. They should also recuse themselves if they are emotionally involved esp. in the outcome.
     
  20. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That is a gross misinterpretation. A captain does make the final decisions and the subordinates need to follow them, yes. But that's not carte blanche to make unlawful and morally questionable decisions.


    Besides, what would Janeway have done had the procedure gone wrong and Tuvix, Tuvok and Neelix died all at the same time?