Janeway: Hero Or Villain?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Taylirious, Oct 27, 2013.

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Hero Or Villain?

Poll closed Jan 25, 2014.
  1. Hero

    71.1%
  2. Villain

    7.9%
  3. Other. Explain.

    21.1%
  1. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Eh, it's hard to tell if 8472 would have carried out their threat to destroy other races after they destroyed the Borg. Their state of mind at the time was, there was no difference between the Borg and the rest of the galaxy. Given what we know in In The Flesh, they are reasonable people, and it might have turned into a Minbari situation. But I guess, given the information Janeway had at the time, it was reasonable to assume they were savages.

    I would still say it puts her in the 'Other' category, because her motives at the time were strictly selfish, and she later disowned her actions when she found out they caused other worlds to get assimilated.
     
  2. picardo

    picardo Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    I've always supported Janeway in all her decisions (Tuvix included) and I think she always had sound judgement and knew how to impose her authority, she's a brilliant captain.

    However, the one time I disagreed with her was in the episode "Prey". In that episode she proved to be stubborn and let her personal differences with a crew member (7/9) cloud her judgement. Furthermore, she tried to please both the 8472 and the Hirogen, I think the expression kill two birds with the same stone (or something of the sort) was used at some point during the epidose, can't remember exactly, but this is the one time when i thought Janeway was a fool and 7/9's assessment of the situation was realistic and sound.

    Janeway almost got everyone killed - good to see 7/9 take the initiative and save the day. With the exception of this single episode I always admired Janeway for her decisions and her command of the ship, but her stubbornness in "Prey" disappointed me.
     
  3. Kaffe

    Kaffe Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Hero. As said before, she did her best with what she had, where she was. Yes, she contradicted herself at times but honestly, who doesn't? We are all complex people. And only human after all. A character without flaws is a boring one, in my opinion.
     
  4. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's not that she has flaws that is the problem.

    It's more of an Emperor's new clothes situation.

    Kathryn is certain that she isn't naked on the bridge.
     
  5. hux

    hux Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Neither hero nor villain

    I still believe she was deliberately written to be a captain out of her depth and prone to poor judgement (why make it her first command....i think the writers did that so they could play with that a little....certainly more than previous captains)

    It resulted in possibly the most interesting captain.....because she was so flawed
     
  6. Bad Thoughts

    Bad Thoughts Commodore Commodore

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    Neither. Just petty and small-minded.
     
  7. JanewayRulz!

    JanewayRulz! Vice Admiral Admiral

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0NnpJb0NwY

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0NnpJb0NwY[/yt]

    I can see another Janeway/coffee video in our future... set to the music "If loving you is wrong, I don't want to be right."

    Janeway is a hero.

    She never gave up.

    Even when the odds were stacked against her.

    Even when the ship was tossed 75,000 light years away.

    She went into Kazon space to bring Chakotay home.

    She searched Unimatrix one to bring Seven home.

    She searched well beyond the life expectancy of the Delta Flyer to bring B'Elanna and Kim home.

    She went sleepless to the point she began refusing caffeine :eek: when she was searching to bring Tuvok, Paris and Ensign Wildman home.

    She followed a trader/thief through multiple twists and turns to find/retrieve the EMH.

    Yeah... people died. :wah:

    And she'll never forget them.

    But she brought her ship/crew HOME and dealt an incapacitating blow to the BORG while she did it.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc_4XJAt5mU

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc_4XJAt5mU[/yt]

    If loving this Captain is wrong, I don't want to be right.
     
  8. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    This was stirring JRulez :techman:

    AND CORRECT!
     
  9. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Igniting an attack that slaughtered 90 trillion people, who would have lived if Captain Janeway had followed Admiral Janeway's original plan to sneak through the hub without destroying it or UNimatrix 001.
     
  10. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Always focusing on a few bad days :rolleyes:
     
  11. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's not like her few bad days and her few good days are stuck on each end of a pole with chewing gum.
     
  12. Taylirious

    Taylirious Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    They were!

    My crew/Federation Vs The Delta Quadrant...there was balances...but there were casualties...is she a hero to them?
     
  13. Melakon

    Melakon Admiral Admiral

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    It depends whether the Federation or the Delta Quadrant is writing the biography.
     
  14. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'm sure Work Force guy was VERY happy.
     
  15. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Kathryn doesn't remember his name either.
     
  16. Melakon

    Melakon Admiral Admiral

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    They were two ships in the night, just passing through.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They lived together and christened every room in their house.
     
  18. Fruitcake

    Fruitcake Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They were slaves. They had two whole rooms.

    Which is pretty good, really.
     
  19. AuntKate

    AuntKate Commodore Commodore

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    You're talking about the novels? Not canon.
     
  20. AuntKate

    AuntKate Commodore Commodore

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    Actually, she does. The crew who where on Quarra retain their memories.