It drives me nuts that Voyager beams people with shields up

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by chrinFinity, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. chrinFinity

    chrinFinity Captain Captain

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    Alter Ego, for one, and Rise for another. Other times too.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    if they know their shield frequencies, then they can beam through shields, and most obviously their own. hell the navigation shirls 9deflectors) are always on and they're always beams though effortlessly, but since the enemy they're at work is against is space-dust, they can fix the navigation shields to standard since most of the bridge crew are smarter than rocks.

    However, if you don't change your frequency often, any blind bugger will be able to "shoot" or beam through your shields.
     
  3. Deks

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    Or its possible the navigational deflector emits a field weak enough for transporters to penetrate, whereas full shields are a different story.

    I wouldn't put it besides the Voyager crew to have devised means to transport through shields on occasion if the need arises.
    After all, dropping them in the middle of combat is not advisable.
    Therefore, it would be simpler to adjust the transporters so they are in sync with the shields frequency wise and then just beam whatever/whoever they need.
     
  4. Timo

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    "Alter Ego" is no problem, because there never was any rule about beaming out of a shielded ship. Indeed, the very first episode to feature any beaming rules at all, TOS "A Taste of Armageddon", featured a beam-out through shields while supposedly also telling us that Scotty couldn't beam Kirk in despite knowing his location.

    Of course, this is nicely analogous with the ability to fire phasers out through shields while being protected from incoming fire.

    It's "Maneuvers" that first features a beam-in under combat conditions. But since our heroes are fighting just the Kazon, perhaps they feel they can drop their shields for a while?

    As for "Rise", Janeway indicates they can't beam Neelix, Tuvok and pals up while the battle is raging, not trivially anyway ("We're a little busy"). But they can probably put the battle on hold for a while, as the enemy isn't after them as much as he is after the planet below. Perhaps Janeway just sacrificed a few Nezu cities?

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  5. R. Star

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    This is contradicted by so many other episodes specificly stating as plot points "we can't lower our shields to beam our people back or the enemy vessel will blow us up."
     
  6. lurok

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    That's the only thing that drives you nuts? :lol:
     
  7. billcosby

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    Yeah... Harry Kim bothers me waaaay more.
    And he's in every episode! :D
     
  8. R. Star

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    I would say Neelix is the most annoying thing. Harry's the the poor schmuck that everything bad happens to. Kinda like Voyager's O'brien.

    Except where you felt sorry for O'brien's suffering, you just kinda laugh at Kim's.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    No he's not.

    Garret was such an asshat, late to work constantly, that they kicked him off two episodes (which is almost 50 grand upfront and a stack of residuals.).

    Bloodfever was one, don't recall the other.

    But is bloodfever your most favourite episode?

    And now you know why.
     
  10. MacLeod

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    Or perhaps, they can create a small window in the shields to get a transporter beam through.
     
  11. chrinFinity

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    It's just particularly egregious in Alter Ego. Tuvok dematerializes first -- THEN we get a scene where Chakotay screams "Shields down to 47%!" -- and THEN we see Tuvok rematerialize on the space station. It's literally *while* he's in the transporter beam that we are obnoxiously bludgeoned with dialog explaining they're breaking the shields beaming rule. It's a real slap in the face.
     
  12. Fruitcake

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    Luckily for me my suspension of disbelief never fails.
     
  13. Timo

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    ...But as said, there's no known rule against beaming out through shields, like Tuvok does there.

    The "tiny windows in shields" thing is sort of confirmed in episodes like "Preemptive Strike": there can be weaker sections in shields, and these can be deliberately made weaker still. But using these for transporting people from outside to inside would be such an obvious thing to do that it's unlikely to be the explanation for occasional beam-ins. Rather, it should happen all the time if it were possible.

    How many times did VOY have these beam-ins in the middle of a battle? Five, six? But never without cuts in the action, apparently - these were all cases of the transporting taking place in its own scene, while the camera was necessarily pointed away from the fighting Voyager, from her exterior, from her bridge. And never of the more damning type where the camera stays on the bridge, our heroes read out shield percentages, and on the background somebody calls a beam-in.

    So we can always pretend the shields were dropped for the crucial few seconds; it's just a matter of determining how certainly in each case this would have resulted in Janeway getting her bacon nice and crispy.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  14. NrobbieC

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    I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned several times that transporters can be tuned or something to shield frequencies?
     
  15. R. Star

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    Not as many times as it's mentioned "we can't beam them back, if we lower our shields random alien of the week will blow us up."
     
  16. NrobbieC

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    Very true.
     
  17. Ln X

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    Who said anything about science fiction or plausibility? VOY was the first Star Trek series to be science fantasy. What's the difference between science fiction and science fantasy? One follows a logical system of rules while the other does not.
     
  18. Fruitcake

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  19. Ln X

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    There are exceptions to every rule, but usually TNG sci-fi seemed a bit more consistent than VOY sci-fi. In VOY it seemed like they were making it up as they go along so that's why fans talk about contradiction after contradiction in various aspects of the show. Thus I brand it science fantasy; the story matters, the universe mechanics do not...
     
  20. Mr_Homn

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    Lol, anyone else notice caveman riker giving us the finger?


    Eh, every series is entitled to one or two "spock's brain" episodes. The important thing is not to make a habit of it. Unfortunately it seems Voyager did. (sorry voyager fans, i had to type that last part. couldn't resist taking a shot at my favorite punching bag. Hey, I liked tuvok)