Is WB simply afraid of Wonder Woman?

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  1. Nerys Myk

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    Bionic Woman? Isis? Charlie's Angels?
     
  2. Sindatur

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    Bionic Woman..Isis...Electro Woman and Dyna Girl?

    ETA: LOL, I see Nerys Mike had the same idea :alienblush:
     
  3. TheMasterOfOrion

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    WB and DC is being managed by idiots, sure there are lots at Marvel, Fox etc but the ones at WB/DC have totally mismanaged projects and wasted millions on turkeys
     
  4. theenglish

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    Literally? Where are all these turkeys?
     
  5. Guy Gardener

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  6. TheMasterOfOrion

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    Bryan's angsty Superman, ok it actually made money but it took a long, long while with an over bloated production budget of $310 million, One of the most EXPENSIVE movies of all time

    Constantine would have flopped if not for dvd release and foreign theater sales The Spirit, awful....not exactly DC... comic fits into their Vertigo/Wildstorm cousin companies

    Catwoman bombed, a box office turkey

    Hex a turkey, got Megan Fox for eye candy but considered one of the worst movies released in 2010. Another turkey

    Green Lantern a financial flop, cost WB and DC Millions of bucks

    Wonder Woman tv show, badly managed, never gets to see the light of day
     
  7. theenglish

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    Figuratively (not literally) these were turkeys.
     
  8. Professor Zoom

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    Of course, then there's Batman... and the animated direct to DVD... and the TV shows... those all have done well.
     
  9. M'rk son of Mogh

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    That sounds a bit misleading, as we all know $310 million wasn't used by Superman Returns.

    It was used by Superman Reborn, Superman Lives, Superman: The Man of Steel, Superman: Flyby, etc etc.

    It really isn't fair to mention Singer with that budget.

    But it really does help to illustrate the point WB has NO clue what they're doing. They had huge names in film making attached to those movies at one time or another and had no idea what to do with any of it.
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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  11. Professor Zoom

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    It might not be fair but it was the reality for that film.

    I, for one, recognize that the WB DID know what they were doing when they killed Burton/Cage's Superman.
     
  12. Ian Keldon

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    Agree with the first half.
     
  13. billcosby

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    Woman Wonder is terrifying.
    Although I saw a cat calendar the other day and one of the cats was dressed as Woman Wonder. It was so appropriate, she should have been a cat from day 1!
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    Streaky the Wonder Cat, actually hung out with Supergirl.
     
  15. Aeronef

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    I think this is actually a significant problem. But I also think it can be solved by paying careful attention to the male supporting roles. Since we can't fulfill the usual (male) fantasies, the filmmakers have to find some other fantasy to fulfill.

    Now: most guys, at some point in their lives, have crushed on some girl or woman who was way out of their league.

    So: we create a male supporting character--a spear carrier who is kind of nerdy, kind of geeky, kind of awkward. Not terribly so, but enough to be noticeable--especially around Wonder Woman.

    He is smitten with her, but she doesn't pay much attention to him--at first. He knows his cause is hopeless, but he nonetheless strives to make himself helpful and useful--to be good friend. Gradually, Wonder Woman notices him, and starts to consider him a valuable comrade--even encouraging him to live up to the potential that only she can see.

    Then, at a critical moment, he intervenes decisively to rescue or save her--ideally, almost getting himself killed in the process. She then goes on to defeat the villain, save the world, and get all the credit--but Wonder Woman's thanks and respect make her spear-carrier the envy of his (male) peers.

    In the end, the boy doesn't get the (super) girl--but he does prove himself a man. And the fantasies of millions of male comic-book readers are fulfilled. If you can work in some kind of Leia-kissing-Luke-to-spite-Han moment, so much the better.

    I'm not actually all that familiar with Wonder Woman--I've never read the comic, and my memories of the TV show are dim--so I don't know if there's a character in her supporting cast who could fill this role. But it seems like the most obvious approach.
     
  16. Nerys Myk

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  17. Kelthaz

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    So essentially you want a Ron Stoppable sidekick type guy to serve as the viewpoint for the audience? Someone that the audience can relate to because clearly the idea of connecting with a woman is just crazy? A man who is actually the true hero of the story who saves Wonder Women during the climatic battle? Really, now? That's what you want?
     
  18. Guy Gardener

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  19. Aeronef

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    Where did I say that's what I wanted?

    Please highlight the exact passages in my post that indicated this was what I, personally, wanted.

    Oh, wait--that's right: there are no such passages. You invented this misinterpretation out of thin air. Got it.

    Now, I know you don't really care about my opinion--if you did, you would have made a greater effort to understand what that opinion was. (And you wouldn't have simply dismissed it as "lots of stuff") But for what it's worth, you've just made a complete fool out of yourself in my eyes.

    And, instead of just heaping my scorn on you, the way you did to me, I'm actually going to answer your questions.

    Until I read your post, I didn't give two fucks about Wonder Woman, or if a Wonder Woman movie ever got made, or not. Whether they made the movie I described, or some other movie, or no movie at all, was all the same to me. I was merely trying to think of a way to get past the sort of reluctance that the other poster was describing.

    It was all the same to me--until I read your post. I've recently been reading a work of eighteenth-century philosophy with one of our graduate students--De L'Esprit by Claude-Adrien Helvetius--and I was struck by a section in which he argues that it's impossible for people to remain indifferent to things for long. Unless they discover a reason to like them, their indifference will quickly turn to hostility. That seems quite true to me.

    In this case--I was indifferent to the prospect of a Wonder Woman movie. Now, I'm not.

    Instead, I find myself hoping it never gets made--or, if it is, that it's made exactly the way I described--just to spite you.

    So, in answer to your questions:

    --yes, that is what I want now;

    --yes, really;

    --yes, that's what I want, for the reasons I outlined above.
     
  20. Professor Zoom

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