Is WB simply afraid of Wonder Woman?

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Ian Keldon, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Location:
    Arizona, USA
    But do you really need to be the same sex as the main character to relate to what their going through in something like WW. Sure we aren't the same sex, but I still related to what Katniss went through in Hunger Games, or what Sarah was going through when I watched Labyrinth the other day. There are plenty of situations that are common to both sexes that you can use in a movie like this. Hell, I really didn't have that much relating to Bella when I watch Twilight (yeah, I watched Twilight and I liked it). Now I'm not saying I imagined hooking up with Edward Cullen, but that doesn't mean I couldn't think about what it would be like to hook up with Edwina Cullen.

    I like strong female characters as much as anyone, but am not super-nuts about seeing superwomen kick and toss men around. Call that sexism if you like, I guess. I'd happily see a WW movie if the reviews were good enough, but I'm not clamoring for one.[/QUOTE]
    Well, there are plenty of female villains in the DC universe that she could kick and toss around.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2000
    Location:
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    If you relate to Bella Swan on any level, it's time to give up ad move to Cleveland.
     
  3. Samurai8472

    Samurai8472 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Does anyone remember this statement by the WB in 2007?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-207_162-3347604.html



    I don't think much has changed in 5 years
     
  4. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Washington State
    Of course I can relate to emotions experienced by females. The Golden Compass is my favorite book bar none. You don't think I enjoyed Prometheus and Hanna for their compelling male characters, now, do ye? ;)
     
  5. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 1999
    Location:
    Switzerland
    That's a conundrum. I don't know how anyone could enjoy The Golden Compass, Prometheus or Hanna on any level.
     
  6. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles, California
    Come now. Even if one were to take those films to task for all their sins, Hannah is at least enjoyable for its long take action photography and Prometheus for its excellent production design.
     
  7. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 1999
    Location:
    Switzerland
    You're right, what I said was unfair. But in my opinion, there's no point in looking for nice things to say about mediocre movies: life's too short and there are thousands of good movies I'd rather watch.
     
  8. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Washington State
    Hanna and Prometheus also both had fine lead performances from Ronan and Rapace. Also, please note that I called The Golden Compass my favorite book; I said nothing about the movie. ;)
     
  9. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2004
    Location:
    Arizona, USA
    I wasn't talking about any of the specific events or actions in the movie I just meant the ideas in general. All I meant was that it is not impossible for a male to relate to things happening to a female protagonist or the other way around.
     
  10. Kelthaz

    Kelthaz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    Yet for some reason you can't relate to actions performed by women such as beating up bad guys, wielding cool gadgets, and being all badass?
     
  11. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Washington State
    Surely this statement constitutes a BBS Moment of Courage. Who on Earth would say that it was?

    (Hint: reread my earlier posts carefully before replying "Gaith".)



    I can't really relate to men or women doing that, as those aren't exactly traits/skills of mine. But while seeing male characters doing so can serve as wish fulfillment/projection fantasies for me personally, female characters can't.

    I don't see what's so hard to grok about this. You and JD seem to be making a blithe conflation of relatability with personal wish fulfillment that I never have, and in so doing are beating up on a straw man. Congrats. :rolleyes:
     
  12. Kelthaz

    Kelthaz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Location:
    Toronto, Ontario
    And why can't women fulfil that same wish fulfilment? What's so hard about watching the badass things the female protagonist is doing and imagining yourself in her position without also picturing yourself with a vagina?
     
  13. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Washington State
    Why are you getting so bent out of shape over what I've clearly labeled as my own personal wish fulfillment projections? Would you like to critique my favorite erotic acts, also? Perhaps you'd like to evaluate my preferences in cereal varieties while you're at it? :rolleyes:
     
  14. Harvey

    Harvey Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2005
    Location:
    Los Angeles, California
    This, on the other hand, is quite fair. Personally, I'm as fascinated by the mediocre movies as the great ones, but I can understand your point-of-view. :)
     
  15. theenglish

    theenglish Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2001
    Location:
    Suriname
    I think people forget that Iron Man was the success it was because it was good. It had great reviews and reached a cross audience of people who don't normally like super-hero movies. Salman Rushdie raved about how good it was (granted he also said he didn't like the ending when it turned into a super-hero movie) and normally "snooty" critiques liked it too. This success crossed over to the other Marvel movies.

    Wonder Woman, if it is good, will do the same thing as Iron Man.
     
  16. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    Washington State
    No. Nobody has ever for a moment forgotten that.


    The mere act of saying so does not make that true. And, on a related matter, where the devil's my Hot Rod 2?! :p
     
  17. Kegg

    Kegg Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2009
    Location:
    Ireland.
    The issue with Iron Man is not whether or not it was good, but that it got greenlit, and which a Joss Whedon written Wonder Woman could not get done.
     
  18. Redfern

    Redfern Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2006
    Location:
    Georgia, USA
    Whenever I read the title of this thread, I keep picturing some wimpy, ineffectual upper manager cowering beneath his desk as Wonder Woman leans over it supporting her upper body with her arms (which would provide the pencil pusher a glorious view of her cleavage if he just had the courage to crawl from his hidey-hole).

    Sincerely,

    Bill
     
  19. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Location:
    Oxford, PA
    FYI: EW.com has an update on the CW's proposed teen Wonder Woman series, tentatively titled Amazon. Apparently they haven't green-lighted a pilot yet, but they're starting to think about casting.

    Could work as a companion series to ARROW. Certainly TV has been a lot more hospitable to female action heroes than movies have: Xena, Alias, Buffy, Nikita (twice), etc.

    Not to mention a certain iconic TV series back in the seventies . . ..
     
  20. Taylirious

    Taylirious Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2009
    Location:
    Wonderland

Share This Page