Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Austin 3:16, Sep 17, 2013.
There is no more powerful force in the Trek universe than the power of the plot convenience.
Sounds like more proof that the Vengeance is a lot tougher than the Enterprise-E to me.
Considering one standard photon in their universe was enough to completely destroy a Klingon battleship by direct attack outside the hull, 72 super torpedoes blowing up next to engineering simply inconveniencing Vengeance shows how tough she is.
Bok rigged the 80-year-old (2280's) USS Stargazer to work entirely under Picard's voice direction in "The Battle"
Talking of computers, preliminary plans for the Vengeance bridge set says that flickering purple thing behind the captain's chair is the ship's advanced tactical "brain"
Yup, if GATT's neural hub can communicate with the entire Enterprise computer in real time, a fully automated device built specifically to coordinate the Vengeance systems could work too.
But as I keep saying, Vengeance's automation center looked massive, decks tall and very dense.
True. It makes me wonder, with all of those computers, how much space was left for the crew? How many people could The Vengeance acctually carry? I still believe the number is around 10K, but it's hard to be sure.
A lot of the bulk here and there could have been barracks for troop transport, sections devoted to specific work crews, extra engineers for when they were needed etc.
The bays seem to be multipurpose, there could be a very large flight deck that could carry a lot of smaller craft, or fewer, larger support ships with their own crews.
Vengeance was plain by design, she could carry out quite a few military roles if needed.
Vengeance in pure battle combat terms, makes the E-E totally obsolete.
On screen demonstration in STID proves more than a million internet posts can ever do.
I'm sure 24th century prime universe starfleet would have killed to have the know how to build the Vengeance against the borg and dominion threats.
The technology is still 100 years behind the Enterprise E. No matter how you cut it Lets see a 1985 frigate take on 1885 warship...that warship aint gonna touch the frigate nd the warship aint gonn know what it them.....hell a 1985 freighter would waste a 1885 warship...just ram the damn thing.
It's an unfair comparison, because real-life technology has advanced infinitely more in a hundred years than Star Trek's tech has in the 225 years of on-screen canon. The NX-01 went to warp 5, Voyager goes to warp 9.975. One has holodecks, the other hasn't. What else?
Unless I'm misremembering the technological development, a warship from 1785 would do a pretty fair job trashing a warship from 1685 too.
^Still more technological advancement happened in that time than in the entire Trekverse.
Weren't those speeds representative of two different warp scales?
You're comparing real technological advances with the projections of unimaginative writers (who themselves are probably not familiar with the advances in technology over the last few centuries)?
When pointing out that Trek ships from two eras may be a lot more competitive than real-life equivalents, that's exactly what I'm doing.
A ship of the line from 1685 could certainly defeat a frigate from 1785.
I thought the Kelvin was inspired by the look of Soviet submarines...
Sorry to bump this and go back a bit, but...
...I finally got a look at the recent book Federation: The First 150 Years and the author David Goodman actually named the Baton Rogue class as a sister ship to the Einstein class (Kelvin type) in the 2230's! Captain April served aboard both types of ships before taking command of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 in 2245.
It's cool when the pros come to the same conclusions as... well... me
But some technological progression happens. The Mirror Universe, the NX-class are practically warships. The Uss Defiant (Constitution class) from the Prime universe, Ahhinilated every warship that opposed it. And the Defiant was an explorer, not centered on battle.
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