Is the USS Vengeance more powerful than the Enterprise E?

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  1. Austin 3:16

    Austin 3:16 Captain Captain

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    I mean the Enterprise E has quantum torps, but the Vengeance has those badass BFG's.

    As you can see in this pic, the Vengeance dwarfs the Enterprise E.

    Who would come out on top in a regular battle, in your opinion?

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  2. Smellmet

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    I'd like to think the E would kick it's ass personally, it's 100 years more advanced
     
  3. The Wormhole

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    Starships really are ridiculously oversized in the Abramsverse.

    Oh, and I'll say the Enterprise E, just because I like that ship best. But in a realistic scenario where fan bias isn't a factor it would depend on which one is commanded by Batman and if he had time to prepare.
     
  4. anh165

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    The Enterprise E should be the far superior ship, but conceptually and on screen it is very dated with its standard sweeping phaser and torpedo combination. It has quantum torpedoes which deploys and tracks like standard photon torpedoes do, but does + 25 damage!! Whoopy @#*d*# do!!


    For a ship that is 100+ years ahead of TOS era know how, it doesn't really demonstrate much of an advancement. You have to read up canon specifications from literature to even know it posesses something better like it having "type 12" phasers over the old "type 6" found in the TOS era.

    On screen the Vengeance conceptually looks like a very advanced ship, almost breaking away from what we normally see from Federation ships, even those in the 24th century.
     
  5. Bad Thoughts

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    How did the impact of such a large object not cause an unimaginable tsunami?
     
  6. T'Girl

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    You mean when the Vengeance hit San Francisco Bay towards the end of the movie?

    Two things, one San Francisco Bay isn't very deep, and two the Vengeance hit at such an angle that it basically skidded across the surface. If it had dove into the water it would have struck the bottom and flipped over. Debatably the ends of the engine nacelles might not have reached the shore line. It certainly wouldn't have tore into those buildings.

    My anwser to the OP, the Enterprise E century of technological advantage would make it's shields impervious to all of the Vengeance's antique weapons, the Vengeance would be carved up unless it surrendered. Nor would the Vengeance have the speed to run away.

    Any attempt to attack would be considered "charming."

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  7. R. Star

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    Just because an oil tanker is bigger than a destroyer doesn't mean it's going to beat it. In naval history the trend is for ships to get smaller, not larger. The "battleship" is pretty much an obsolete concept now. The same concept would apply even more so to space with computer automation and smaller crew compliments. But "big" ships look better on screen so... hence the JJverse.
     
  8. anh165

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    If you assume 100 years between the 23rd to 24th century is really that significant. The EE is dated with conventional phaser + torp defensive systems and you have not taken the element of diminishing returns when technology evolution is involved.

    Vengeance is a result of the narada's involvement in the 23rd century and starfleets mandate to push aggressively towarda a millitary approach in space. it demonstrates combat abilities that no other federation ship has yet to match such as the ability to over power a shielded vessel and evaporate large portions of hull, the only other time a ship done this to a 23rd century vessel was a borg cube, and we can all agree a cube will be too much for the enterprise E.
     
  9. Kemaiku

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    Vengeances gatling phasers ripped the Enterprise to shreds with her shields up. Given all the technical advances of this new universe and the stronger hulls, advanced shielding, Vengeance took bites out of her like it wasn't there.

    The Enterprise E was badly damaged and losing her battle with the Scimitar, a ship built by human/bat hybrid slaves with the same technological level, simple more shields and hull plating. Even scoring direct hits, she depleted her weapons almost entirely and couldn't dent the Scimitar.

    Put her up against something with transwarp, phaser cannons of that level of power, given that she's smaller and a hell of a lot thinner (more fragile likely) than the Nu Enterprise and Vengeance would rip her apart in minutes.
     
  10. R. Star

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    See, I don't buy that the Narada changed everything regarding ship design. Just look at the Kelvin. It was bigger than the original NCC-1701 20 plus years earlier. The JJverse was an alternate timeline long before Nero flew into it.
     
  11. Austin 3:16

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    But in Star Trek 2009 the characters themselves said that Nero's interference changed the timeline.
     
  12. Kemaiku

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    Yup, and we have no idea at all what 2233 era ships look like. Kelvin could well have been in service in both.
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    That just means they built them bigger in those days.

    Voyager came after the Enterprise-D, can do all the same things but is much much smaller.
     
  14. Kemaiku

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    Stafleet largely went with an anorexic or deformed appearance for a lot of it's ships, cramming things in in odd ways, in fairly small ships. The Galaxy class sacuer and the scale of the ship in general broke away from that a bit, but with a seriously tiny butt.

    The new universe doesn't seem to skimp on size and how much it packs into each, far larger ships, larger crews, all the mechanical facilties they need and a small floatilla of support craft.
     
  15. Bad Thoughts

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    The anomaly that brought the Narada back released anti-time particles, retroactively applying the relaunch to the timeline. Everything is bigger since 2009 (even my belly)!
     
  16. Morpheus 02

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    I think there was a 3rd ship that was thrown farther in time...such that it interfered with the genetics of Khan in order to make him a white guy.
     
  17. Santa Claws

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    Well, it's the Abramsverse, so I'm guessing the Vengeance is more powerful than the Enterprise-E and the Enterprise-D duct-taped together.

    It's like they looked at some of those fanboy uberships online and said, "Eh, we can top that..."
     
  18. Sci

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    Considering that we have no way of knowing how to compare the phaser and warp technologies of the Abramsverse and the Prime Timeline, I don't think there's any reasonable way to answer the question of whether the U.S.S. Vengeance could defeat the Enterprise-E.
     
  19. Asbo Zaprudder

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    I suspect the ships in the Abramsverse have more cowbell...

    and daddy issues...

    and lens flare.
     
  20. King Daniel Beyond

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    The Vengeance would definitely win in a cargo bay fight. Even if you stacked stuff up in the Enterprise-E's bottomless pit on deck 29 you'd never come close.