is star trek first contact best star trek movie

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by tmosler, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. tmosler

    tmosler Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Hi I recently watched star trek first contact and without a doubt it is my favorite star trek movie. But I was reading reviews about the movie online recently and read that most people think the movie is ethier bad or okay. I just wanted to see what people here thought about the movie.
     
  2. Greg Cox

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    I like FIRST CONTACT. It's easily the very best of the TNG-era movies.
     
  3. BillJ

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    Probably the most popular of the TNG films.
     
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    It's my personal favorite of all of the trek movies and is in general one of the most popular films in the series.
     
  5. Tiberius

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    A very enjoyable movie. I like it a lot.
     
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    I hated it, contrived nonsense.
     
  7. Tiberius

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    Yeah. All that "warp drive" nonsense. How unbelievable is that?
     
  8. MrJ

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    Well, everything about the Borg sucked (except the way they looked, that was pretty cool). But their entire plan and adding the Borg Queen were terrible. It was a kind of dumb action zombie movie. But it was still by far the best TNG movie.
     
  9. Tiberius

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    And what do you think their plan was?

    Why shouldn't the Borg have an embodiment of the Collective mind?

    After all, if you have billions of drones connected together, why shouldn't they function as one mind? Your brain cells do it easily enough. And why shouldn't the Queen be an individual, emoting all over the place? Your brain cells don't have any individuality and can't emote, but when they all act as one, they form your mind, don't they? A mind with a sense of individuality and emotions. So why should it be so implausible that the Borg do exactly the same thing?
     
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    It's a very good movie, but except for things like warpdrive, transporters and such, it lacks what it actually at the core of Star Trek; the moral dillema and exploration of humanity. Essentially, First Contact was a SciFi Action movie. And that's why it's populair.

    Other movies have tried to do the moral dillema, with various results.
     
  11. R. Star

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    What does the Borg Queen add to the Collective again?

    A personality that makes rather obvious emotional mistakes?
    Causing all the drones around her to die if she does?

    She seems more of a liability to the Borg than anything else. Before her the Borg were a scary Collective entity... after just another generic villain whose panties get in a bunch with the best of them.
     
  12. Mage

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    You know, they were already contemplating adding the Queen for Best Of Both Worlds, but they decided that, to give the Borg a face and voice, the Borg would assimilate Picard, making them more of a menace.
     
  13. King Daniel Beyond

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    I loved First Contact. Definitely the best of the TNG movies, but not quite my overall favourite.
    I say Trek can be and has been a lot of things. That's the beauty of the format. Fun action-adventure is as much "true" Star Trek as the moral quandries and "exporation of humanity" are.
     
  14. beamMe

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    That is there also.
    It just doesn't kick you in the face with it and walks away giggling madly as Insurrection does.
     
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    First Contact was my favorite Trek movie for years. I managed to over watch it eventually and it's been replaced on the list with TOS movies and ST:XI. But I still love many things about it :)

    And let's not forget it gave us the marvelous opening to In a Mirror, Darkly.
     
  16. Tiberius

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    She doesn't add anything to the Collective. She IS the Collective!

    The Queen is the mind that is formed when all the drones are connected together, just in the same way that you are the mind formed when all of your brain cells are connected together.
     
  17. Greg Cox

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    First Contact also has one of the best musical scores of the series. I probably listen to my First Contact CD more than any of my other Trek soundtracks.
     
  18. beamMe

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    It's great music. The main theme is a bit too similar to that for Air Force One though.
     
  19. T'Girl

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    And which of my brain cells is the "Queen Cell?"

    :lol:
     
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    From what I can remember, it was to go back in time, stop first contact, and assimilate Earth in the 21st Century. Lots of people have been explaining why this doesn't make sense for years, but I'll say it again now. Ever since the first time we saw the Borg we learned that they were primarily interested in acquiring new technology. So in their first attempt to assimilate Earth and the Federation they sent one ship. It got blown up when the Enterprise crew found their Achilles heel. So years later, in First Contact, the Borg sent another lone ship to Earth, it got blown up. But it launched a Sphere that went back in time to a few days before first contact.
     
    Now here are the things that don't make sense:
     
    First, If the Borg have the ability to travel back in time why didn't they do that when they where still in the Delta Quadrant? Then travel unopposed to 21st century Earth and assimilate it.
     
    Secondly, why would the Borg even be interested in assimilating 21st century Earth? They don't have any of the cool 24th Century technology that the Borg were originally interested in. Assuming they did assimilate Earth back in the 21st Century all they would have is one small insignificant planet thousands of light years from their base of power.
     
    Thirdly, why would the Borg even think to stop First Contact? That indicated a degree of lateral thinking that the Borg were never shown to posses. They see someone with some piece of tech they want, so they take it. Nothing more complex than that. The Borg were remarkably single minded. That was part of their appeal. They were more of a force of nature than an evil race. They were kind of like the shark from Jaws, they roamed the Galaxy consuming what they wanted. Nothing more.
     
    Fourthly, whatever happened to the adaptive Borg we saw on TNG? The ones who would adapt to any weapons frequency or tactic that is used against them? The first time the Enterprise crew fought the Borg it took an act of Q to save them. The second time Data jacked into their Unimatrix and put them into Sleep mode. Presumably they fixed their Network settings to prevent that from happing again. All the while Starfleet Officers were free to walk around Borg Ships as long as they didn't pose a threat. In First Contact the Borg could still adapt to weapons frequencies after they took a few hits. But they seemed to forget to adapt to any of Starfleet’s tactics. So even after showing how much of a threat that Starfleet Officers could be when they were poking around. The Borg still let Picard’s tactical teams get all the way to main Engineering, just because they kept their weapons down and didn't present them selves as an immediate threat.
     
    I could go on, but like I said all of these points have been brought up by others over the years.





    If the Borg Queen had only been an embodiment of the collective, kind of like Locutus, that wouldn’t have been so bad. Instead it was clear in First Contact, and Voyager later on, that she was the leader of the collective. That is a big difference. The problem with the Queen, was that the Borg were shown to not have a single leader. They were all of one mind. It was explicitly stated in Q Who what the advantages of having no single leader were. Troi said that a single leader can make mistakes, but the combined whole is less likely to. In First Contact and afterwards The Borg Queen was always making mistakes. The Borg were much scarier and a more effective villain before the Queen. Before, you couldn't out run, out fight, or even out think the Borg. After, it was pretty easy to out think or trick the Borg Queen.

    The Borg Queen was just lazy writing. They could have kept what was unique to the Borg, not having a single leader, and had a really cool villain in the Borg collective. But they needed a bad guy for Picard to go Mano a Mano with (again), at the climax of the movie.
     

    First Contact in general was just lazily written. I don't hate it though, I still say that it's easily the best TNG movie (not that that's saying much though). But Star Trek was once a show that took risks, it was creative, a lot of effort went into it's writing. But looking back, in hindsight, First Contact was were it became obvious that, with the exception of DS9, the Writers were beginning to give up.