"Iron Man 3" Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Dream, Apr 23, 2013.

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  1. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    My question was whether there was anything in Iron Man 3 that tied to the terrorist group in Iron Man 1.
     
  2. Captain Craig

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    Other than the 10 Rings logo used, not that I recall.
     
  3. Alidar Jarok

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    Ok, did they use that logo the first time?
     
  4. Captain Craig

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    I know we see the logo during the ransom scene in IM1, where Tony is bound, head covered. It's the backdrop of the scene on a red canvas or curtain material. Can't recall if it's anywhere else. A logical place might be in the tents when Stane comes to visit, to steal the Mark 1, but I can't say I recall with certainty.

    One would assume that their logo is known(within the MCU prior to IM showing up), has been known, which leads to the theory Killian co-opted it. Gave it a face as he noted.
     
  5. Alidar Jarok

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    Yeah, that's plausible.
     
  6. Unicron

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    I was wondering about that myself, along with what the relationship was between Killian and Hansen. Rebecca Hall is a good actress and it's a shame she barely gets to do much of anything. I don't think the movie was terrible, as sequels go, but it felt like there were a lot of promising plot threads that were never tied together properly into a cohesive story.
     
  7. Pavonis

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    Killian's motivation was to control both sides of the War on Terror - supply terror, then supply weapons to fight the terrorists. Extremis was able to do both. Subjects that couldn't regulate blew up. "The Mandarin" claims it as a terrorist act deliberately conducted to "teach America". Killian supplies Extremis subjects that can regulate to the U.S. military, either as soldiers or as mercenaries. Either way, he wins, and proves to himself that he didn't actually need Stark in 1999.
     
  8. Unicron

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    That was one of the other threads I perceived as dangling. I get that most of Killian minions we see are former soldiers who were "cured" with Extremis, and I can see where they would feel indebted or loyal to him and/or AIM for that, but that all of them would seemingly betray their duty as soldiers to the U.S. for it? Harm innocent people and support terrorism in the process? I'm a bit skeptical of that. It just seemed to me like Extremis was still too potentially unstable for it to viable that way, even though Killian and Hansen had improved it.
     
  9. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Well, if they stopped serving him, they would run out and blow up, if I'm not mistaken.
     
  10. Unicron

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    Maybe so, but I still don't buy that as being reason enough to let go of your ethics. Besides, that means they could blow up Killian if he disagreed! :p It would probably take several of them to actually kill him, but still... :D Who's to say someone like Stark couldn't have copied the regulating agent?
     
  11. Pavonis

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    It seemed as though Extremis may also be responsible for personality shifts, especially promoting violent tendencies. Pepper was quite surprised at what she was capable of under the influence of Extremis. Just imagine what someone who was already conditioned and trained to use violence would be capable of - in fact, you don't have to imagine. The Extremis subjects demonstrated it. Why would they betray their ideals and assist in attacking the US? Maybe they already felt betrayed by it? Who knows what circumstances they were in prior to finding themselves under AIM's care.
     
  12. Unicron

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    That's certainly a possibility, but I'd say the movie is very unclear (at best) on whether that actually occurs as a side effect or not. I think Pepper was surprised that she survived thanks to Extremis and that she actually had some fun using part of the Mk 42, but I didn't see anything that was a specific personality change. I have no clue if the substance ever appeared in the comics, so perhaps someone with more experience can answer that.
     
  13. CorporalCaptain

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    Maybe AIM gave Extremis only to wounded soldiers they could turn or already had turned?
     
  14. The Old Mixer

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    That was pretty much it, I'm afraid....
     
  15. CorporalCaptain

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    The VP was his man, so Killian wanted to take over the US. But, yeah, he was like Syndrome Redux.
     
  16. Snick27

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    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyiiKzuz7W8&feature=player_embedded[/yt]
     
  17. Dream

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    Killian using the Ten Rings logo in his messages doesn't mean anything. Hell, I COULD send a message to someone I know with Ten Rings logo, and that doesn't make me the Mandarin.

    The stinger is that the Ten Rings held Stark prisoner in a cave for several months, and Killian did nothing. Didn't kill Stark out vengeance or even ask for help to deal with the Extremis problem. The entire Mandarin is a fake feels like something that was created very recently.
     
  18. Dream

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    http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...n-dollars-box-office-20130514,0,6812361.story
     
  19. LaxScrutiny

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    Someday I have to watch the actual Hitler movie. After all of the parodies I've seen, it will feel like a satire.
     
  20. Nick Ryder

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    Well I'm of two minds on the whole 10 Rings - Mandarin thing

    1. There WAS a "Mandarin" leading the 10 Rings originally - but AIM somehow killed him and basically replaced him with their own man and just co-opted the original 10 Rings

    2. 10 Rings was always meant to keep Stark - it was the guys in the field, like Raza (Robau!!!!) who sorta fucked things up and got too greedy in their own fight - like 10 Rings was Killian's invention but others that joined it and created cells sorta were on their own - but as I was saying, they were always meant to hang onto Stark once he gave them the Jericho missile - since THAT particular cell wanted it. The terrorists that captured Stark were surprised that it was actually Stark and wanted more money remember? It was Stane that sicced them on Tony. Which is how I'm sure the whole Afghani group that Raza was with got to California pretty quick - if they were part of Killian's 10 Ring.

    3. The 10 Rings IS a real terror group in the MCU that Killian was using for his own end and figured if anyone from them went after him, he'd sic Extremis guys on 'em. Like say, someone using one of the other known terror groups and doing things in their name, the group thinks 'uhm okay hey you're doing alright... welcome aboard' but it's all a ruse.

    4. Killian didn't care of Tony lived or died, he wanted Stane in charge so that he could ramrod Extremis through SI saying 'okay we took care of your problem Stane, now take care of mine.'. After all, he waited a little while for Pepper to be fully integrated into SI before approaching her.