Into Darkness - EWW video

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Flying Spaghetti Monster, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    1) Because it's the future and Star Trek moves at the speed of plot.

    2) Is there a reason why it shouldn't?

    3) Different conditions.

    4) Why would she be killed? The TOS Enterprise once beamed up a guy from a fighter plane.
     
  2. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

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    Actually, personally, I don't see it as a "valid sin". Spock explains why he did it later in the movie. It wasn't just done, then dropped--Spock had a purpose. As well, as we saw latter, foreshadowing Kirk's request for Spock to help him not to be afraid with Spock cut off from helping Kirk.


    As for the rest of it..well all of the complaints in the vid: Trek 101 all of it. If that's a 'problem' or 'mistake' then the whole franchise is guilty. If you want to lay any complaint: it's how close that STID adheres to the Trek formula without taking the big risks. That STID didn't take the opportunities presented to turn the franchise on its head.
     
  3. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    That was the same bar from ST XI, wasn't it? IIRC, it is near to where Jim lives (and there's an Academy base nearby, hence the conflict in the original film between the cadets and 'townies'). At the very least, Pike probably figured out long ago that Jim likes to hang out there. And in any case I'm sure that Starfleet officers, inactive or not, can be tracked down with ease.
     
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  4. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

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    No, it's not the same bar. they specified that in dialogue. They said "a place like this."
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Hmmm. For some reason I thought it was the same bar.

    Anyhoo, if it's just some dive in SF, then it probably took Pike even less time. Maybe it's a bar near the main Academy grounds that cadets tend to flock to, like that one place in ENT. In which case it'd be easy to find Jim there.
     
  6. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Kirk wasn't exactly trying to hide anyway. I'm sure someone as resourceful as Pike wouldn't find it that difficult to track down a celebrated captain like Kirk.
     
  7. austen_pierce

    austen_pierce Captain Captain

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    Carol Marcus screaming and running during transport was one of the most compelling scenes of the film. Beaming someone against their will might not be the same kind of violation as a involuntary mind meld, but it's up there. :evil:

    It also found Spock's meld with Pike to be a non-sequitur. It does play into later events in the film, but at the time, Spock really has no reason to do it, other than morbid curiosity. Perhaps he thought Pike was trying to tell him something. Pike's casting about expressions 'could' be interpreted that way. :confused:
     
  8. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I always thought Spock mind-melding with Pike was a way to comfort him, calming him down in his final moments, in a way, to share his pain.

    Besides, in "Dagger of the Mind", Spock's mind-meld seems to have a calming effect on Simon Van Gelder.
     
  9. Dale Sams

    Dale Sams Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Considering the level of nitpick, I'm surprised "Was there NOT a saboteur onboard Enterprise*???" wasn't included. Hell, I sat through the credits to see if there was going to be an extra scene.

    *I mean, I'm fine with the Admiral having done something time-delayed rather than having a physical agent onboard, but they sure made it look like someone was onboard.
     
  10. Keeper

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    ^Bingo! You can actually see some of the pain on Pikes face diminish and transfer as Spock establishes the meld.