Into Darkness - EWW video

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Flying Spaghetti Monster, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Location:
    Flying Spaghetti Western
    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REOjxvQPQNQ[/yt]
    enjoy.

    And yes, I noticed the time compression with the uniforms as well.
     
  2. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2002
    Location:
    Terra Inlandia, Kelvin timeline
    I hope this is better than Cinema Sins' take on the last one. At least that promised "Everything" in five minutes or less and clocked in at 5:35.

    At over eight minutes, though, I'm not optimistic.

    Edit:

    No, it's the same stupid smarmy shit. Pass.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2013
  3. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Location:
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    Ahhh....beat me to it. It was a read along version of the same whiny shit from the boards.
     
  4. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2002
    Location:
    Terra Inlandia, Kelvin timeline
  5. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Location:
    Flying Spaghetti Western
    Let's be clear.. the videos are longer than the time they dictate, but they do countdown when the start end the series of flaws. Also note that the subscribe scene always takes up quite a few of the extra seconds, and most of their new videos (including this one) insert a few extra gags and pop culture references that kind of fit the movie they are talking about.

    Relax!!
     
  6. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2002
    Location:
    Terra Inlandia, Kelvin timeline
    I wasn't really concerned about the apparent discrepancy between the advertised time and the actual runtime - that was no more than a feeble joke. I simply don't find what they do during that time to be very entertaining. (To be fair, I tend to have the same trouble with a lot of internet video humor-type product, so maybe all you kids just need to get off my lawn. :p ) Based on the sample I did watch, however, I don't expect their making the new one significantly longer will have the effect of increasing the entertainment value for me.

    If it's still entertaining for you, then that's great. Enjoy! :)
     
  7. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    I've seen most of the EWWs, and it seems to me this may be their least jokey list of Sins to date; nearly every criticism is both legit and fair. I loved it. :bolian:
     
  8. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    It's funny how they always get the timing wrong. 3 seconds, 3 minutes. I know, a lot of movies do that and it's because they shot the scene and then the length is finally decided in the editing room. But shouldn't they kinda know about the length of their scenes because of the work they did in pre-production? Surely the arrival of the Vengeance and the space jump sequence where already pre-planned with storyboards and pre-viz sequences?

    From a scriptwriting POV, what purpose does an exact statement like "3 seconds" have? Couldn't they replace it with "any moment"? Same thing with statements like "shields down to 15%" in TNG, DS9 and VOY. I never got why they gave us these numbers. "Shields can't take another hit" gives actually more information.
     
  9. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    I never did like these videos, and always feel uncomfortable when people share them with me. I just don't really understand I guess, were they suppose to be funny?

    Anyhow I'm glad that people enjoy them. I haven't watched this one but a lot of so-called faults in other movies are almost immediately explainable and the rest explainable with some deliberation. That is, unless it's a really horrid movie.
     
  10. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Location:
    Flying Spaghetti Western
    So Kirk went back to the academy. So, what if Pike never figured out what bar he hiding out in to tell him that he had been given the first officer position, what would Pike have done and it was necessary that his first officer needed to show up at the Daystrum meeting?
     
  11. Ln X

    Ln X Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Location:
    The great gig in the sky
    EWW did bring up one thing I never considered. Spock performing that mind meld on Pike. I mean poor Pike, the man is dying and the last thing he experiences is Spock invading his mind.
     
  12. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Location:
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    Unless at the same time Spock was experiencing Pike's fear, it somehow put Pike at ease.
     
  13. Ln X

    Ln X Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Location:
    The great gig in the sky
    It still doesn't justify what Spock does, EWW got it right about Spock violating Pike's mind. Giving the intimacy of mind melds, Spock could only have done it if Pike gave permission. But Pike did not give permission or perhaps was incapable of giving permission giving his injuries.

    And as for Pike, that guy was probably thinking about all kinds of personal stuff in his final moments plus Spock undoubtedly saw Pike's memories. I'm certain there are Vulcan laws and codes of conduct about mind melds, in any case it was very inappropriate of Spock to mind meld with Pike.
     
  14. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Location:
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    Meh, Spock Prime is a repeat offender then for this sort of thing: Kirk, McCoy, Valeris. All three were melded with without consent.

    In short: another case of "Oh, Spock Prime had to do it to <inset plot contrivance>". "Nu Spock broke Vulcan law (which we really don't know if he did or didn't, but but...uh fuck Abrams!"
     
  15. Ln X

    Ln X Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Location:
    The great gig in the sky
    Let's ignore this 'plot inconsistency- let's blame JJ Abrams' thing.

    In each and every case of Prime Spock performing mind melds it was either to save the day, find important information or help his friends overcome mental afflictions (I'm thinking of The Return of the Archons). He had a task to perform and he may have broken his race's code of conduct for mind melds, I don't know, but it served a function.

    In fact I think the only questionable use of Prime Spock mind melding was transfering his katra to McCoy. That's more than wacky, that's messed up- moving your soul to a host! However McCoy was a friend of Spock's so that somewhat mitigates it.

    Nu Spock had no valid reason for mind melding with Pike, save for vain curiosity.
     
  16. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Location:
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    * Spock wipes Kirk's memory of Rayna to save him the pain. That serves no purpose. And come STV we find out that Kirk never wants he pain taken away.

    * Spock forces his katra on McCoy. An act that cause side effects that gets McCoy arrested and facing a life time in a mental hospital. And if Kirk hadn't recovered Spock's body? Sorry Bones, see you on visiting day.

    * Spock forcibly restrains a struggling Valeris who was refusing to answer questions. at the time there were fans that raged that that scene was (basically) a rape scene played out in front of the main characters with Kirk demanding information as she screamed out.

    In sort: It's a not a damn bit of difference. Oh wait..yes there is: it's in an Abrams movie.
     
  17. Ln X

    Ln X Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Location:
    The great gig in the sky
    Rayna was probably one of those humanoids who Kirk thought was 'the one', so it's a clear case of Spock believing his intentions are right but not really thinking through what would be best for his friend.

    But I do agree with your assessment of Spock mind melding with McCoy and the damage done to McCoy. The way I see it's a case of character assassination upon poor old Spock! That was a bad idea period, but sadly a necessary evil to get Kirk and the crew back to the genesis planet.

    As for the third case there were some high stakes involved. Chancellor Gorkon was assassinated and a new war looked possible. Lives were on the line and Spock, angry by Valeris' betrayal, forcibly assaults her mind to find out the perpetrators. But that's the point, in that situation it's a case of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. It's a DS9 moment of sorts but I like that, I appreciate that controversial aspect because it serves a point. That's Star Trek at its finest IMO.

    Likewise in STID a little character assassination happens to Spock when he performed that mind meld on Pike. It was stupid, immoral and reckless and cheesed me off in the same manner as Prime Spock transferring his katra to McCoy. What were you thinking Spock?

    Every series has had moments of character assassination or instances which totally destroy a character's credibility. But I'm a forgiving sort and that's why I rather enjoyed Nu Spock talking about his emotions with Uhura, despite him mentioning his mind meld with Pike- which was a douche thing to do. It's an annoying thing but there is a decent payoff halfway through the movie.

    But don't worry the JJ Trek films don't even come close to the biggest character assassination of them all; Sisko poisoning the atmosphere of those Maquis worlds. To this day I still have not forgiven the episode 'For the Uniform' for having Sisko do this.

    Lastly over the years we have all mapped out the flaws, faults and down right stupid moments of all the Star Trek series (and films). So let's also map out the flaws of STID. Orci and Kurtzmen tried to address problems (revealed by fans) of Star Trek 09 and correct them in STID. If we know where STID went wrong in places then that could be vital feedback for the writers of the third Nu Trek film. Let's not shy away from STID's blemishes, that's what I'm saying.

    And though I was disappointed with STID I am still hopeful that the third film will be a lot better. So this is not trolling, this is constructive criticism and one little piece in the bigger picture of understanding STID.
     
  18. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Location:
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    No one is shying away. But at the same time too, STID can't be singled at as being something unique for a perceived "problem" when it's not. Are lot of "problems" or "Trek would never do "X"..." is less problems with the movie and more the fact that some people just don't like the production team.

    As for writer feedback: that kind of got shot in the heart in the wake of Orci Gate.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2013
  19. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    May 11, 2008
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    The video in question is a list of complaints against STID specifically. Just because there have been other questionable melds doesn't mean that this one, done for no reason as Ln X has pointed out, isn't a valid "Sin".

    I also want to know why the Enterprise can get to Qo'Nos and back faster than I can get from DC to Manhattan, and why that barren rock McCoy and Marcus landed on had breathable atmosphere, and why Chekov could beam a free-falling Kirk and Sulu and cancel their velocity in ST09, but couldn't beam Khan up here. I'd also like to know why Carol Marcus wasn't killed by running while beaming. :p
     
  20. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    These are my own personal explanations.

    1) The Enterprise and most Starfleet ships have been equipped with transwarp, or something similar. This could be because transwarp has become common after Voyager's discovery of it, and the Narada took it back in time.

    2) I don't have a strong explanation for the atmosphere :rommie: but I don't see why the Enterprise doesn't have some atmosphere magic or why the planetoid they were on couldn't have a breathable atmosphere, like so many places the crews of the Enterprise have visited.

    3) For the beaming, it was said that there's too much interference to beam Khan. Is that a thorough explanation? No, but it's vague enough to work for me so that's fine. Plus beaming in the new movies seems to allow people to move while beaming compared to previously. In the first movie Spock could move and reach out for his mother, and Amanda Grayson's fall even cancelled out her beaming. I actually like this, it shows more strongly that the beaming is a continuous shift and the person on both ends are the same. It lessens the frightening argument that beaming creates new people (although does not eliminate it completely).

    With magic tech like transporting I don't think cancelling velocities would be too hard. :lol: