Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by Supreme Admiral, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. Ríu ríu chíu

    Ríu ríu chíu Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    And he's only making it WORSE! They're facing adversity because of people like him.
     
  2. JuanBolio

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    I disagree. He treats mixed couples differently, yes, but he doesn't seem to treat one race worse than the other in themselves. Segregationist, yes, but I don't see any evidence of racism at all.

    He's not making it any better, that's for sure, but I think its a stretch to say he's making it worse. I think the people who make it worse, white and black, go a whole lot further than this guy's passive refusal to enable interracial marriage himself.

    I know racism is a sensitive thing, and a lot of people love to throw the term around whenever someone, for whatever reason, takes any kind of action that may be seen as segregationist or even racially discriminatory, but I maintain these are separate things that often, though not always, go hand-in-hand. I know I'm not going to convince you guys that I'm right on this point, and you're not going to convince me. I've gotten a death threat this very evening for arguing this point in another forum, so in the interest of keeping everything civil I'm going to politely bow out of this one.

    Good day.
     
  3. Ríu ríu chíu

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    Same thing.

    Also the same thing. Especially in a highly volatile area like this.

    Instead of debating, you mean? ;)
     
  4. JuanBolio

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    Its not going anywhere, friendo. We're arguing in circles now. You say its the same thing, I say its not... so on and so forth, and I've already argued this point for days elsewhere. I tire of this. He's going to be fired and he should be fired. The only thing I take issue with is calling him a racist. You know why, and I know why you disagree. Great. Fine. Lets move on.
     
  5. John Picard

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    You're the one arguing in circles :rolleyes: The guy refused to marry people of different races based on HIS opinion; therefore, his actions are racist. I can push it further and say they are Aryan of nature -- he believes (sic) blacks should only marry blacks, whites should marry only whites, Asians should only marry Asians; etc.

    We've all tried to explain it to you; however, we cannot understand it for you.
     
  6. JuanBolio

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    No, they are segregationist. A racist believes that one race is inherently superior or inferior to another, or has a fundamental hatred of one or more races. What evidence for that do you see?

    As for your "Aryan" theory - The so-called "Aryans" of the Third Reich were not the first or last people to embrace principles of genetic purity and eugenics. Furthermore their ideals were based around breeding supermen and having "uncontaminated" genetic lines, since they believed in racial superiority and inferiority. I see absolutely nothing in this guy's stated motivations that would line up with that. Your analogy is deeply flawed.

    :rommie:

    Dude, I understand all the points you're making just fine. I simply don't agree with them.
     
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  7. Ríu ríu chíu

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    Segregationism equals hatred. Anyone who sees a need to separate one race from another must hate at least one of them, because otherwise there'd be no reason for the segregation.
     
  8. JuanBolio

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    I'm sorry, but that is pure bullshit assumption. Yes, racial hatred and delusions of superiority have historically gone hand in hand with segregation of all kinds, but one does not necessarily beget the other. You don't have to hate black people to believe that mixed couples and mixed children are things inherently prone to difficulty, and thus not wanting to have a hand in creating them.

    Might you be a racist if you believe those things? Yes, of course. Lots of racists say exactly that. Must you be? Hell no.
     
  9. RJDonner&Blitzen

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    Not true. A Racist simply believe that the so-called Races differ in character, abilities and other attributes. For example, believing that all Black people have rhythm is a Racist belief, though not necessarily a negative one. So anybody who is segregationist is also Racist.

    That's not true, either. Self-segregation is very fashionable these days. It may equal stupidity, but it doesn't equal hatred.
     
  10. UssGlenn

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    but the second half of that definition states "usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others". Of course you'll say this guy falls in the subset that makes this a usually and not an always.
     
  11. Red Ranger

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    Considering Louisiana's history of unacknowledged racial and cultural mixing, it's ironic indeed, but understandable, that this boob would act this way. Hell, the phrase Creole tends to downgrade the black influence and upgrade the French influence. It's a phenomenon I call DOB -- Denial of Blackness. (Dominicans and Cubans are anecdotally infamous for the DOB). -- RR
     
  12. MANT!

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    Per the State of Louisiana
    It's an ELECTED position, so the "Old fashioned moron" in the office has the chance to lose the election..and judging by his actions, he probably will lose the next one..
    the term of office isn't something I can locate..and now the link I posted went dead..

    But this is the problem I see all over..the
    rationalism, that allows small degrees of racism to prosper. To me racism isn't just a black and white issue, as an example, most Brazilians are of a mixed race persuasion due to a lack of stigma associated to mixed race couples. This includes my wife and step-daughter. Mixed race children are a growing segment of the American population as outdated racial attitudes are slowly eliminated from American society.

    Racial purity laws are abhorrent to me due to the Nazi ideology they represent. Now we must eliminate the smaller public racism evident in our public officials. No amount of rationalization can change the fact that this man's reasoning is racist in a VERY large way..

    It has been mentioned upthread that he's violating Federal statutes by not following the law and using his personal beliefs in regards to his duties and that is true.

    This man needs to be stripped of his position... end of story
     
  13. The Naughty List

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    He's like the Diet Coke of racists then. Swell.

    He told the couple where to go to find another Justice of the Peace who would marry them. It seems to me, if he was genuinely concerned for the welfare of the children instead of hiding behind it as an excuse, he wouldn't enable their potential endangerment and outcasting of their children. He would instead just say "Nope, not gonna do it, get out." People who are actually concerned for the welfare of children generally don't offer alternatives to do the same thing they're concerned about in the first place. Otherwise, what's really the difference between that and performing the ceremony yourself except in a matter of degree? He's still rendering some assistance to the couple in doing something he feels is bad for any potential children.

    Why the automatic assumption that every couple is going to have kids? He doesn't ask them if they plan to have children, just if they're an interracial couple, period. Granted, most married couples do have children, but it's still taking an extra leap. If he's so concerned about potential kids, why isn't that part of his questioning of prospective couples?

    That leads me to believe with a pretty high degree of certainty that the "I'm doing it for the kids" excuse is just a less offensive smokescreen to cover his personal feelings that interracial marriage is icky. Because shockingly, in the real world and not Juan Bolio Land, racists aren't always up-front and honest about their racism and try to deny it, hide it behind less obviously offensive rhetoric, or justify it through some convoluted reasoning.

    So it's often kind of hard to get them to just blurt out "I'm a racist" in an interview or press conference, unless they're one of those people who just doesn't give a damn about living in modern society. Hell, even some of your finer KKK guys like to think they aren't racist because they don't hate or want to hurt black people in their words, they just want them to not be here. That's the level of delusion these people can operate under.

    In this interview, Bardwell is asked if there are any other conditions under which he might deny performing a marriage ceremony other than interracial marriage, and he says no at first before amending his answer to include couples who are intoxicated in some way. So, there's no other situation where children can grow up and face adversity that he objects to? Potential parents who are chronically unemployed, have an extensive criminal background, have a history of physical abuse, whatever; they're all fine. It's just that interracial thing that gives him pause. Yep, no racial motivation there at all, it's just because he's so concerned for the kids. Give me a break.

    Your ridiculous demands for internet forum burden of proof before being allowed to speculate and your endless defense of child molesters, hoaxers, and racists is getting tiresome, especially when if a police officer is ever accused of anything you toss all of that aside and call for them to be burned at the stake based on some anecdotal encounters you've allegedly had with cops in the past.
     
  14. RJDonner&Blitzen

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    I have no idea what this guy really thinks. The point is that Racism is about believing that there are different races with different characteristics.
     
  15. Teelie

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    I'd be surprised if the guy lasts out the year or much past it before either stepping down, being forced to step down/evicted from the position.

    Whether what he did was racist or not is obviously still debated in the thread but there is no doubt what he did was wrong and against the state and federal laws so he's going to be leaving office sooner rather than later.
     
  16. JuanBolio

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    If by that you mean he has zero racism calories but gets slapped with the racist label all the same, you're right.

    This guy just isn't a racist, as much as most people seem to like to brand him as one.
     
  17. John Picard

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    A racist and a separatist are pretty much equals. He refuses to marry people of separate races because it's his opinion that the children will suffer.
     
  18. JuanBolio

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    Yes, he does. And that doesn't make him a racist. While the effect might be the same, his motivations differ greatly from those of a true racist.
     
  19. Red Ranger

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    Juan needs to look up the words "segregation" and "Jim Crow," and maybe then he'll understand that segregation, especial de jure, is racism at its utmost. Love the "diet Coke" label Locutus came up with to describe Bardwell's brand of racism, but I think a better label would be "New Coke" racism, the kind of supposed well-meaning, "Hey, I'm just thinking of the kids of such a union" rationale that still equals racism. If a traffic light turns red, it's red, not purple. -- RR
     
  20. Thespeckledkiwi

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    *reminds himself not to get married in Arkansas* Wonder what he thinks of Asians and white chicks?