International Save Data Campaign ( a web page)

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  1. DivineSugar

    DivineSugar Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I don't know if you guys have seen this page or not (hi by the way :D), but it was made sometime after the release of Star Trek: Nemesis. The owner is very passionate that killing off Data was the worst thing ever and launched a campaign to overturn the decision. Here is an excerpt:


    January 6, 2003: It's official. Nemesis has tanked! A story on CNN.com today in the entertainment news section entitled 'Hollywood 2002: $equels, events, formula' listed it among the flops and said it could finish as the lowest-grossing of all the Star Trek movies! The sad irony is that immediately following the paragraph that contains this news is a paragraph that contains the very reason Nemesis is a disaster. The article talked about people flocking to movies in 2002 to forget their cares for awhile. All this movie did was give us something else to hurt about. Paramount has been told why this film is such a dismal failure and they've also been told what they need to do to fix it. But they don't just need to hear it from me. They need to hear it from everyone who's been hurt by this movie, whether you've seen it or not. And they also need to hear that you might think twice before paying for any future Paramount products. If some store owner murdered a member of my family, I wouldn't be too eager to give him my business. One consolation in all this is that if we have lost Data, at least the people responsible won't have profited from his death. But I'm not giving up on him yet. There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes that might turn this situation around. I'll be posting regular updates about the fight. But a minute here to keep this in perspective. We all need to remember we're talking about a fictional character and not a flesh and blood person. What is real is our love for him, whether he's real or not. And Paramount is finding out the hard way how much love there is for him. Maybe they'll think twice about putting out another movie with such a painful ending.

    I already know my own opinion about that, but what's yours? Here's a link to the page: http://www.angelfire.com/tn/SaveData/index.html

    I thought this would be kind of interesting to talk about. I know it's been talked about so many times before, but I just want to know what you guys think, your honest opinions.

    P.S. My apologies if this isn't exactly in the right forum! It is about Data, so naturally I thought it goes here lol
     
  2. Lt.Cmdr.LaForge

    Lt.Cmdr.LaForge Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    In my oppinion, it was fitting and heroic way for Data to die, proving beyond doubt that Data had become as close to being human as was possible. Despite this, id rather he hadn't died at all...
     
  3. od0_ital

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    The dude should read the Star Trek (2009) prequel comic book.
     
  4. cultcross

    cultcross The truth is precisely the opposite Moderator

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    Indeed, he had lost all abilities of rational thought.
     
  5. Pemmer Harge

    Pemmer Harge Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It's all a bit academic now, isn't it?
     
  6. McBastard44

    McBastard44 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Prior to Nemesis I always hoped that Data would appear in a future series (if they ever made one) a couple of hundred years in the future. Still, if they could bring Ripley back after Alien 3 surely they could bring Data back somehow...
     
  7. GhostFaceSaint

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    It was the actors choice that they end Data's life because he said that they had done everything they could with Data and their was no further growth therefore point to do any more stories with Data in them. By the way I think the whole thing with B4 was to show that Doctor Soong's work would not die with Data but live on.
     
  8. Jbarney

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    Countdown....it stretches somethings but well worth reading.....
     
  9. john titor

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    They didn't need to kill him. They just didn't need to use him anymore. I personally refuse to acknowledge Nemesis as canon. Its like the 1960s James Bond Casino Royale or Threshold. TNG ended with All Good Things.
     
  10. RyuRoots

    RyuRoots Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It amazes me that people still go on about this. Personally, I thought Data's death was one of the very few things Nemesis actually did right. I have to wonder if people would continue to piss and moan this much about Spock's death if he didn't come back in Star Trek III.
     
  11. KobayashiMaru13

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    if they hadnt brought spock back, ID still be pissin and moaning about it. TWOK was the 1st ST movie i saw, and was devestated that spock had died. i cried, even. then i watched nemesis, and data died. cried for a second time. the first 2 ST movies i watch, my fav characters in TOS and TNG died. wtf!?
     
  12. Messianni

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    That's your problem. Considering Spiner himself wanted his character to die, I think they went about it just fine. He died saving his captain, his friends aboard the Enterprise and Earth. How is his death any less than Spock's? Frankly much more was on the line with the Scimitar versus Khan. He was going to die anyway. Had the Scimitar escaped it would have cruised right into Federation space and potentially killed many more people before it was stopped.

    I actually like how it was done in the novelization and I wish they had done this in the film: if I remember correctly, right as Data points his phaser at the thalaron generator, he allows himself to scan through all of his good, happy memories as he fires. Basically, his life flashed before his eyes.

    Such a statement as the OP posted is ridiculous. The actor himself didn't want to continue the role because there was nothing else he could do with Data and he was quite noticeably aging, which Spiner didn't feel did justice to the role. To blame it on Paramount is mundane at best and moronic at worst.
     
  13. john titor

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    No, Spiner doesn't exclusively own datas character, he plays the role of data. They could have left data as he was, let someone else play him in the future. Spock came back from the dead so that was ok.
     
  14. USS Excelsior

    USS Excelsior Commodore Commodore

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    When will they release a bring back Data Trailer.
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

    Admiral Buzzkill Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    They killed Data?
     
  16. cultcross

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    I wouldn't be - Spock's death actually made some sense in the story, unlike Data's, was brilliantly done for just the right emotional impact, didn't have a cheap get-out like B4 to essentially undo it within 5 minutes, and was a genuinely hard hitting but fitting end to the character and the film. I loved Spock's death and funeral scenes, however hard they are to watch; in fact largely because they're so hard to watch. I can watch Data's demise and not only feel no pang of sadness at all, but in fact often laugh at the mind blowing stupidity of it. If Data had died a death with the impact and poignancy of Spock's, it may well have saved that film.
     
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    This guy needs to have a drink and a good cry with the Bring Back Kirk guy.
     
  18. DivineSugar

    DivineSugar Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Lol, yeah seriously. I also agree with Messianni's comment. It's not right to blame the whole thing on Paramount. Personally, I think the whole thing is a bit over the top. We all love Data, but seriously, he isn't real. It's almost like you want to just tell that person to get over it already. And it was already said that online petitians don't do much to change anything at all.

    That may sound a bit insensitive, but it's the truth. I don't think they had to kill him either. I don't really like to watch the part when he dies. It's understandable that it should touch you emotianally and even make you cry. But then you move on with your life, and don't treat it like your mom just blew up, and you read Star Trek Countdown and watch old TNG re-runs. :) Because it is fiction after all.
     
  19. mattburgess

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    Personally, I *love* Data, but I hope he doesn't come back, in book form or any other. (Canon has become personal choice - what we choose to accept and what we don't - and I don't accept Countdown - however, I'm more than happy for other people to accept it, our differences are what make us interesting :-D )

    What's the point? If a character has died, he's dead. If everyone who dies can just come back again... how boring, quite frankly. Just because we like something doesn't mean it'll last forever. Nothing lasts forever. That's just life, unfortunately.

    More permanent things should happen to characters. LaForge is pretty much the same in 2381 as he was at the start of TNGs second season, except now he has eyes. DO something with him! Or kill him/retire him/transfer him, and bring in a character the authors can DO something with.

    But that's why I'm *really* enjoying the novels at the moment - THINGS are happening! :-D REAL things, with lasting effects! Yay!

    (I don't read William Shatner's Kirk books, either. He died in Generations. HOWEVER, someone has cut a *really* good ending to Generations on YouTube where Kirk lives, and it's FAR better than the actual ending!)
     
  20. RyuRoots

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    Star Trek III would like a word with you