Indy 4 still as infuriating as ever

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  1. doubleohfive

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    [yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zphhfHon_I[/yt]
     
  2. Marsden

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    I would really like that, maybe you can write the next movie.
     
  3. Professor Zoom

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    Nah. No chariots.

    But, a boat. With Elves and Hobbits.
     
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    I think more appropriate would be God striking him down for messing with his stuff.
     
  5. davejames

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    I know that was Lucas's argument, but I have to agree with Spielberg and Ford that it just feels much more natural to see Indy dealing with religious artifacts that have a basis in real history, than to see him dealing with... flying saucers and little green men.

    To argue that it's all interchangeable just makes no sense to me. Because after all, superheroes like Superman and Batman were a part of that genre as well. Would people really have no problem with Indy interacting with guys wearing superhero tights and a cape as well? Who can fly and shoot laser beams out of their eyes? I mean, really? Do you not see a difference in style and tone between those things at all??
     
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    Like Highlander, and Terminator, Raiders did not have any sequels.
     
  7. Masiral

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    And it wasn't predictable that Indy would find the actual Holy Grail or Ark of the Covenant?
     
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    When I was deadset against seeing KINGDOM of the CRYSTAL SKULL, during its initial release, I noticed that practically ALL of the merchandise promotions featured images of Indy from how he looked in RAIDERS, especially. That was another tip-off to me that maybe PARAMOUNT, George, Steve - and all the rest - had no real intentions of making a great Indy movie, by going back to the well, this time.

    They wink at the audience a little too often, in this movie, as well, with its nostalgia. The INDIANA JONES series did not need another Swan Song! As a Human Being, I understand the desire to milk a product. As a fan, I just find it depressing to see these franchises get treated as a joke, like, "Can you BELIEVE someone would PAY us to make a movie like THIS?!!" What a way to make a living ...
     
  9. davejames

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    That he would find them, no. But you were never quite sure what the hell would happen when they opened up the Ark at the end of Raiders. And you wouldn't expect Indy's father to get shot or for Indy to encounter a living Knight at the end of Crusade. And of course you didn't know what the hell the Sankara Stones were all about or were capable of.

    But there were no surprises and no mystery whatsoever in Indy 4. The second he finds the Skull, you know it's not only alien, but that he'll return it as the prophecy states and then the aliens will fly off. The End.

    If anything unexpected happened, I sure don't remember it.
     
  10. Aldo

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    To me that's apples and oranges type discussion. I see superheroes as a flight of fancy. We're never going to see someone get bit by a radioactive spider and get super powers. But (to me at least) the idea of extraterrestrial life out there somewhere, I can get behind that.
     
  11. davejames

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    I can get behind the idea too. I just don't think it fits with the world of Indiana Jones. And I don't think the "serial" argument makes it work either.
     
  12. Gaith

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    Mr. Plinkett got it right: a good movie could be made with a much older Indy, but you'd have to lose or at least heavily downplay the trappings that people associate with him. His bit about how surely no one involved in the movie's production even contemplated not putting Ford in a brown leather jacket is dead-on. So instead, they made a safe rehash on autopilot.

    Another case where the Plinkett review is superior minute-for-minute entertainment than the movie itself.
     
  13. Professor Zoom

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    This. I think NOT having the coat and even the whip would've signaled, this is a different Indy... he's older, he's changed...

    I kinda don't want them to make Indy 5... if Ford breaks his leg walking around the Falcon, what's gonna happen when plays Indy? He's 70. Those bones won't always heal.

    And recasting... meh. Maybe in like 10 years... but then reboot the whole thing or something.
     
  14. Aldo

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    I was simply responding to the fact that you said since they introduced Aliens into the Indy universe they might as well do superheroes next. As if they're similar, I was merely suggesting the fact that aliens are a bit easier to swallow (for me, maybe) because I believe there could be intelligent life out there in the universe.

    I don't however, believe a person can get super powers in any way shape or form.
     
  15. davejames

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    Yeah it definitely felt like the it was just going through the motions. And trying to copy the lighter tone of Crusade just made the movie feel even more tired and long-in-the-tooth (especially next to much cooler and edgier action movies like Bourne).

    If they had aimed for the grittier edge of Raiders and Doom instead, I think it would have felt much more relevant and appropriate to the time.
     
  16. 2takesfrakes

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    Also, you may already be aware of this, or not but ...

    Secret of the Incas is a 1954 adventure film starring Charlton Heston and is often cited by film buffs as a direct inspiration for the Indiana Jones. Certainly as far as the outfit went - in particular, the wide-rimmed fedora.

    For some odd reason, Lucas, Spielberg and/or Paramount decided to make this movie inaccessible because of RAIDERS of the LOST ARK and it's still unavailable, to this day.

    Now, none of these early 50's features were Adventure Movies on the scale of RAIDERS, obviously. They're heavy on dialogue, for the most part. And the "action" is just not comparable. Outside of Film Buffs though, who would be interested in seeing these things, I guess? Maybe it's a niche market, but they should make these available ...
     
  17. davejames

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    Ha yeah, the similarity is pretty hard to ignore. He even kind of looks like Ford from a few angles:


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    You can actually find the entire thing on Youtube, although it's not exactly what you would call an action movie. In fact I'm not exactly sure what the point of the story is. Lol
     
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    Yes, to hearing about Incas w/Heston but only cause we're having this discussion. It jogged my memory cause it's not something I even recalled after the Regan/Hong Kong mention and I probably should've. May have been bewildered.

    I agree these films need to be put out. Studios have released these type films in 4/6 film DVD sets before as bare bones and slapped some "Action/Adventure" label on them.
    They may not be great but it'd be like doing film archeology of sorts on possibly roots of INDY that George&Steven have said he was inspired upon.
     
  19. Leviathan

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    I thought it was a great zombie flick.

    The main storyline about the emaciated skeleton of Marion battling the half zombified Indy was entertaining. I'm not sure who won.

    The B-plot about the crystal alien skull was weak.
     
  20. davejames

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    ^ Nobody won. Including the audience. ;)