IDW Star Trek Ongoing...

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  1. Tino

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    Dee was too whiny for me. She always had reasons to complain and to whine about. But I really loved the way she exited the series. She had no more hope that she couldn't take it anymore. Awesome scene. I wished Star Trek could be more like nuBSG because I gotta admit, nuBSG is the best sci-fi-series ever IMHO.
     
  2. Lt. Cheka Wey

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    If you would combine DS 9 and Voyager you would get...
     
  3. BillJ

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    No thanks. I like my TV series to actually have characters I like and can identify with. Moore went way overboard with the number of douchebags on Battlestar Galactica, to the point that I finally tuned out and never came back.
     
  4. Pauln6

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    I wouldn't go that far but the humans were meant to be unpleasant - that was sort of the point. Our sympathies were supposed to lie with the selfish, self-destructive, angry humans and view the civilised but domineering and murderous cylons as the enemy. The cylons could be western society and the humans the oppressed minority whose culture is wiped out by the technologically superior race. I suppose the point was that might doesn't make right.

    I loved it when the humans started suicide bombing their own. It really underscored how low you can go when you are oppressed.

    Having said that, I do agree that I would have liked to see some normal people who weren't total a**holes.
     
  5. DarKush

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    Interesting, because I hated the way she left the show. I thought it was a cold send off, after underusing or mishandling her character to have her kill herself off. I don't think the writers knew what to with her after Billy and especially after her marriage to Apollo and perhaps went for a 'shocking' ending. I just saw it more as the conclusion of writer disinterest in Dualla's character.

    Overall I never thought she was whiny. I thought she was put in poorly conceived relationships. Apollo seemed a more logical choice to me than Billy did, but with Apollo she sort of came off as an other woman even though she was his wife. Perhaps it was a way for the writers to try to do something with her character, but I thought it was the wrong way to go. Some of her best stuff came in Season 1 with Adama, and I wished they had continued developing that relationship, with him being able to talk to her, open up to her in a way he really wasn't able to do with Apollo, Starbuck, and even Roslin.

    It sucks that perhaps the best Dualla storyline came out of the BSG comics of that time, the one about the Returners. I wish they had adapted that for the TV show, even though I'm not sure how that would've jibed with the show later did with the Cylons.
     
  6. Christopher

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    ^Sounds to me like the only character arcs she was given defined her by the men she was involved with. That could be the problem right there.
     
  7. Jarvisimo

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    Oh, let's list (other than Dee), Billy, Anders, alot of the secondary ppl like that the Doc, Hotdog, that mechanic Figurski or the one on the Pegasus, and even the Chief and, for sure, Helo & Lee (of course both compromised, but each still the closest to the classic shining hero).

    And though often 'misguided' or difficult, ppl like Adama, Roslin, Starbuck, Boomer/Athena, Kat, even Baltar, weren't 'total a[rse]holes'. They were flawed, but damn if I still didn't sympathise with them
     
  8. JD

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    Yeah, I didn't think any of the characters as being outright assholes. I always thought of them as good people who were in a horrible situation and often made very bad choices.
     
  9. DarKush

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    I think you make a good point because even the comic book story I liked so much with Dualla could be arguably said was because her brother was one of the Returners. So it provided an opportunity to learn a little more about her past while also confronting her with the present potential danger of the returned colonists.
     
  10. Sto-Vo-Kory

    Sto-Vo-Kory Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Remember when this thread was about the Star Trek ongoing comic book?

    I do and, in the spirit of that memory, I'd like to point out that the latest issue (19) came out Wednesday.

    This issue's focus is Scotty. It starts in the late 18th century and ends at Mr. Scott's introduction into the '09 film. I really enjoyed this story and I was pleased to learn (after a quick stop at Memory Beta) how closely the nuTrek Scotty's life tied into what has been revealed about Scotty prime and his life in the novels and comics. The writer really did his homework on this one and the result is a fun story that suggest much more depth than the previous back story issues.

    We even get a sly reference to the new movie:

    A certain "Commander Marcus" helps nuScotty with his admission to Starfleet Academy.
     
  11. ATimson

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    Speaking of the ongoing... the solicit for #21 indicates it happens after the movie. The release date is a week and a half before the movie. Is it going to get moved? Or is the solicit wrong? (Or will there be spoilers?)
     
  12. Sto-Vo-Kory

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    With IDW publishing, it's safe to assume the release date will be delayed. The last few issues have been released further and further back in the month. We can probably expect that issue (21) to be shipped on the final Wednesday in May or possibly pushed into the next month.
     
  13. JD

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    "After Darkness" sounds a brand of those minty chocolate things.
     
  15. Nightowl1701

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    A few extra notes from # 19:

    - Kid Scotty had Happy Face wallpaper in his bedroom and a couple of antiques - a (Bad?) Toy Robot and a Rubik's Cube. He and his family seemed to be middle class, living in the suburbs.

    - Starships were being built on the ground prior to the Kelvin Incident, as seen in the Linlithgow Shipyards.

    - Kid Scotty's a Ramones fan. :)

    - The starship Scotty sneaks into looks an awful lot like the TMP Enterprise. More IDW being careless with their art, or a clue?

    - The bridge is a different story, with two chairs/consoles flanking the Captain's chair ala TNG.

    - Interstellar frieghter captains in the 23rd century keep tiny hula girls on their dashboard.

    - Hard to tell whether Scotty's run-in with NCC-0509 happens before or after the 'flashback' sequence of Countdown Into Darkness. If the latter, why is Marcus still a commander and why is he on Earth on the Starfleet Academy commissions board?

    - Just how many years was Scotty on that ice planet?!?
     
  16. The Wormhole

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    It's likely before. Its crew are wearing the same uniforms the Kelvin crew wore in Trek XI while the flashback in Countdown to Darkness had April and his crew wearing the "modern" uniforms.

    I guess Marcus could have been on the Academy Admissions Board before he served with April, kind of like Pike in Trek XI. Or maybe they weren't thinking when they wrote the line and didn't realize the mistake they were making in inserting this particular easter egg for the movie.
     
  17. King Daniel Beyond

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    They do it in the 24th century too - we get a glimpse of a Galaxy-class ship being built on the surface of Mars in TNG: "Parallels" (although I must admit... that wasn't the prime universe!)

    Also the Enterprise's saucer was refitted on the ground in San Francisco in one of the Lost Years novels.
    He says six months in the movie.
     
  18. Pauln6

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    The story does help to fill in some of Scotty's background and his experience on freighter ships but it fails completely to justify his imposition as a chief engineer. Engineering skill justifies a job as an engineer - your chief engineer says fix the ship and you do it - but becoming a senior officer requires leadership skill and good judgment. Scotty, as portrayed lacks pretty much all the skills needed to be in charge.

    What's more, the oddity of Keenser being a senior officer is underlined yet again. He's a lieutenant and has spent years as a chief engineer on the Delta Vega outpost. Scotty qualifies from the academy, presumably as a lieutenant in recognition of his years as an engineer on freighters, commits an illegal act of cruelty on a living being, and is sent to Delta Vega as a punishment for 6 months, where he treats his senior officer as a skivvy.

    Keenser should have been a petty officer. His treatment in the movies and comics is an ongoing insult to his rank!
     
  19. Avro Arrow

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    ^ I had assumed from ST2009 that Scotty was already a lieutenant commander when he "lost" the beagle and was shipped off to Delta Vega. But the comic showed this happened while he was still attending the academy.

    It appears in the JJverse, Starfleet hands out ranks like candy. :)
     
  20. rahullak

    rahullak Commodore Commodore

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    Hey, here's a silly question: What is the reading order between Ongoing and Countdown to Darkness? Does issue #20 of Ongoing come just before the first issue of CTD?
     

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