IDW Star Trek Ongoing...

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by serenitytrek1, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I haven't read the latest issues of Ongoing yet but I also believe gender quality is a current issue and should be addressed here.

    The main cast is predominantly (white) male, so true equality cannot be achieved. But accepting this limitation still allows to judge the equality the rest of the plots and characters to be measured by our 21st century standard. The new ST is derived from a 1960s series but still produced in the 2010s. It cannot evade contemporary ideals of society, Imho.
     
  2. Pauln6

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    +1

    It's nice to see that the comic features two semi-regular female security guards and Zahra even got some character development in the latest issue. I'm still hoping they give Rand the same treatment but more generally, it's nice to see them elaborating on the wider cast a bit more. I'm enjoying the Sulu sub-plot too. Although I hope they keep his sister around for more than one story, it's entirely possible that she's a Section 31 plant.
     
  3. Christopher

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    Unless you abandoned the "alternate timeline" pretense and just did a straight-up reimagining. Then you could have, say, a female Sulu, a black McCoy, a gay Scotty, etc. Heck, if I were able to reinvent ST from the ground up, I'd probably make Kirk female.
     
  4. Thrawn

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    I'd read that.
     
  5. Therin of Andor

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    Since we don't know if T'Pau survived the canonical demise of Vulcan in the new timeline, the IDW writers may have been asked not to include her. You did get T'Pring. Maybe they wanted to feature both, but got one?
     
  6. Pauln6

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    It was nice to see T'Pring but she is essentially a generic Vulcan who inevitably had to be cast in the role of 'love interest' or rather 'logic interest' in the context of Amok Time. T'Pau on the other hand is a legendary mature woman in a position of considerable power without being sexualised or linked to a male character at all.

    We've had cameos from several admirals and commodores who survived the changes to the timeline. I thought initially that they were keeping T'Pau out of the comics because they wanted to use her in the sequel but that wasn't the case. It's just disheartening that one of the few female leaders in TOS is still absent after several Vulcan-centered stories and to date I've seen no story elements that might have benefitted from her dying off camera. Her absence is curious.
     
  7. Therin of Andor

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    I saw nothing "generic" about T'Pring.

    The movies aren't finished yet.
     
  8. Pauln6

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    Wel, she was a woman I guess ;P but I meant she has no role beyond being Spock's betrothed, no wider significance to the plot, characters, or the Vulcan people. Obviously, in a comic where they have been cramming stories into two issues, most guest characters will be one note only and it's even harder to give a Vulcan personality. That's why I love T'Pau!

    The writers of the movies may have a list of 'no-go' characters that they want to keep in reserve even if they never end up using them. That could be the real reason that Dehner didn't make it into the comic too.

    However, if they have cast Chapel aside in the movies, I do hope that she gets some comic time instead. Maybe some wider repercussions if she persuaded some other captain to go to find Korby?
     
  9. Markonian

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    It is possible that they might do another set of character-flashback comics before the third film. Carol being a main character now could lead to the depiction of her friendship with Chapel; specifically, the moment Chapel warned Carol of Kirk.
     
  10. Kruezerman

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    The gender thing again? Didn't we already go through this bullshit in the XI forum?

    Next!
     
  11. Pauln6

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    OMG did they fix it and I didn't notice?

    Oh wait...

    No.

    :p

    It's interesting though - I'm commenting on the latest issue of ongoing in general, commenting on the story, and including my opinion on whether I think the artists and writers are moving towards a more balanced approach and yet a number of people feel the need to target the passing comments on the gender issue alone rather than anything else. And they are making progress in the right direction even if they aren't there yet. I view that as quite positive. Don't be so dismissive of their increasing awareness. It's an important issue globally.
     
  12. Noddy

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    Is the ongoing series retconning the Nero mini? The Klingons are seen using ships clearly derived from the Narada's tech in recent issues, and the mini-series showed that the Klingons hadn't really made much progress with the Narada at the time Nero escaped with it.
     
  13. Therin of Andor

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    There are many Klingons.
     
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    ^ And they have a plan.
     
  15. ATimson

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    Oh, good, I wasn't the only one. :guffaw:
     
  16. Pauln6

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    It's a shame Khan pissed off the Klingons. I really wanted to see Khan, his followers, and some multi-racial mercenaries banding together for maximum mischief.
     
  17. Therin of Andor

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    50 percent female. ;)

    50 percent disabled. 50 percent elderly. 50 percent illiterate. 50 percent homosexual. :devil: (Well, at least in proportions similar to real life.)
     
  18. Pauln6

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    You forgot asexual and hermaphrodites. And I can't quite put my finger on it but there is something off with your maths.

    Actually, I don't have a major problem with Klingons being sexist towards women; I have a problem if there are no aliens who are equally sexist towards men or (like Angel One) when those women are criticised to a far stronger degree than the sexist male aliens or when races that claim to be equal don't visibly demonstrate the equality they espouse.

    50% disabled crew would be amazing though! :techman:
     
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    It is always your choice whether to participate in a discussion. If you don't like it, don't get involved. Please don't dismiss other people's concerns, that isn't necessary.
     
  20. British Khan

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    So what would be a possible ending to the Khitomer Conflict arc? Also it seems the tech of this comic verse is going to be decades more advance than it's prime verse counterpart.