I Think I Finally Get It (For Those Fans of Old BSG)

Discussion in 'Battlestar Galactica & Caprica' started by Frontier, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. stonester1

    stonester1 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    No. And as a fan of both the old and new, I'm glad. We have the new film coming out (for TOS fans), and the new fans have Caprica and possible more mini series.

    No memories were "robbed". They should still be there, as the DVDs certainly are.

    I find this drama and the sturm and drang about the "crimes" commited by the producers of the new show ridiculous.

    No offense, but that's how I see it.
     
  2. Ayelbourne

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    How so?
    Did they invent some sort of memory wipe?

    What's wrong with women?
     
  3. scnj

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    Didn't you know? Half way through the miniseries is a bright flash, like the device from Men in Black. Unless you watch with sunglasses, it erases all memory of the original series.
     
  4. RandyS

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  5. species5618

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    ^^^Yes, she wasn't the most likeable character, but where does it say every character in a television series has to be likable? I found it actually refreshing that such a key character was, well, kind of a bitch who wasn't interested in ingratiating herself to the rest of the characters. I had plenty of other characters to 'like' (such as William Adama, Tigh, Chief Tyrol, and Athena) so to me it really isn't that big of a deal to me.

    And I say this as someone who liked old-school BSG--not nearly as much as 2003 BSG, but I have the giant Cylon headed 1978 BSG DVD box set sitting proudly on my shelf.
     
  6. stonester1

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    Yeah, I don't get that one either. It's less important that I "like" characters and more important that they are interesting somehow.

    And I am also a fan of the original, though I greatly prefer the RDM version.
     
  7. RandyS

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    Okay, would it make more sense to you if I said I found her annoying? In fact, one of my favorite scenes in the series was where she punched Lee, and he turned around and clocked her right back. That should have happened in every episode.

    And I didn't find her interesting either.
     
  8. Anji

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    You guys just don't get it, do you???
     
  9. RandyS

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    Get what? Elaborate please.
     
  10. Aragorn

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    What's not to get after he said his memories were robbed? :lol:
     
  11. BolianAuthor

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    I have been able to enjoy both shows for what they are, and for the strong points of each. I don't particularly think Dirk Benedict was a good actor by any means, and I find it annoying to listen to his voice and speech pacing, but I can still enjoy TOS for its stories, and production values for the time, which was great. The thing that nuBSG totally ruined for me, not just with TOS BSG, but with ALL of science fiction in general, is the campiness...

    After seeing nuBSG, I just cannot tolerate any form of campy sci fi... I just cringe and grate my teeth when I see it. Maybe this is why TNG is also my favorite Trek series... because the show dealt with serious and relevant issues in a way that wasn't as campy as TOS Trek did. I'm not saying that I like my sci fi dark and emo, but I DO appreciate that the story and characters be taken seriously, as well as the setting.
     
  12. Admiral2

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    What about us fans who like both?

    I like both Galacticas starting with the same reason: the ship. Both are big-ass space aircraft carriers, the coolest ever in sci-fi. Beyond that, I like both Starbucks, both Adamas and i like the fact that Earth is the goal of the fugitives. I never missed the old Galactica because there was always a way for me to see it (reruns, VHS, DVD and online) and recently I've had new Galactica to tide me over.

    What I've had a problem understanding is people on either side of the equation trashing the other fandom's show, mainly because I've come to love them both in spite of their flaws (and both shows have them. I'm not a complete lifer.).
     
  13. RandyS

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    :rolleyes:

    Sigh....Okay, I'm gonna try this one last time.

    CAMPY=COMEDY

    There was NOTHING campy about Original Galactica. Nobody said "Holy Whatever", there was no over the top acting. It was a drama. A family show. A straight sci-fi series.

    The problem with the shows today is that they take good old fashioned family values and toss them in the john.

    That's the thing with New Galactica. It takes itself TOO seriously with over the top angst and drama-emo bullshit. It was populated by whiny crybabies who would rather wallow in shit than try to improve their lot in life. Today's audeince have bee misled to believe this nonsense is "serious drama", and somehow "relevent". And the show collapses under it's own weight by not following through on it's premise. The whole point of the show is everything is bad, life is not worth living. And instead of taking it to it logical conclusion--the death of every last human being when the Cylons destroy the fleet, they actually make it to Earth, giving the show the sense of hope that it should have had from day one, but lacked.

    This is deep? No. It's gratutious bullshit.:rolleyes:
     
  14. David cgc

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    Camp isn't comedy. From Websters, "when the usage appeared, in 1909, it denoted: ostentatious, exaggerated, affected, theatrical, and effeminate behaviour, and, by the middle of the 1970s, the definition comprised: banality, artifice, mediocrity, and ostentation so extreme as to have perversely sophisticated appeal."

    Now, maybe a guy quitting his job to manage an act of six-eyed lounge singers or literally dating two women at the same moment (fine family values, that!) isn't ostentatious, exaggerated, or affected, but it sure as hell isn't serious drama.

    Okay, Since I pretty much already said this once, I'm going to straight-up rip-off an old post. Consider this an episode of "The Best of David cgc"

    "33"
    Tigh: If the crew doesn't hate the XO, he's not doing his job. Besides, I gotta make the Old Man look good.
    Adama: I always look good.
    Tigh: Look in the mirror.

    "The Passage"
    Adama: I hear they're eating paper. That true?
    Tigh: No. Paper shortage.

    "Resurrection Ship, Part II" Final scene

    "Miniseries"
    Adama: It won't be an easy journey. It will be long and arduous. But I promise you one thing. On the memory of those lying here before you, we shall find it. And Earth will become our new home. So say we all!

    "33"
    Billy: Update on the head count.
    Roslin: Subtract how many?
    Billy: Actually, you can add one. A baby was born this morning on the Rising Star. A boy.
    Roslin: A baby?
    Billy: Yep.
    Roslin: Thank you.

    "Flight of the Phoenix"
    Tyrol: It's just a ship, ma'am.
    Roslin: Oh, you're much too modest. After what we've been through, it would be very easy to give up, to lose hope. But not here. Not today. This is more than a ship, Chief. This is an act of faith. It is proof that despite all we've lost, we keep trying. And we will get through this, all of us, together. I promise.

    "Sometimes a Great Notion"
    Adama: Men and women of the Fleet, this is the Admiral. The discoveries of the past few days have been painful for all of us. As you know, we cannot stay on Earth. But this is not a new challenge. The Thirteen Tribes of Kobol stood exactly on the same spot that we are right now. They experienced dreadful losses. Their planet was a graveyard. They needed a home. So they set out in the void of deep space with nothing but their ships and their guts. And the Thirteen succeeded. They were not super-men. They were ordinary people, like us. What they can accomplish, we can accomplish. We will find a new home. This is a promise I intend to keep.

    I'm always amazed when people miss the fact that the entire premise of the show was the validity and power of hope through adversity. Not just people who dislike it, and claim that it was all doom and gloom, but fans, as well. I was surprised every time I saw someone say they were expecting a downer ending to the show, with everyone dying or something. It was inevitable that there'd be a light at the end of the tunnel, otherwise the series would've made no sense.

    Still, posts like that make me consider taking notes the next time I watch BSG, and itemizing every single moment of levity, happiness, humor (among the characters, not situationally, which costs us a good amount of Baltar comedy, but situational humor doesn't reflect on the characters' personalities), and hope. Hope is, of course, the easiest one, as you may have noticed above.
     
  15. Admiral2

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    You forgot:

    Miniseries:
    Adama: (looking at Dualla and Billy) They need to start having babies.
    Tigh: (looking confused) Is that an order?
     
  16. RandyS

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    The reason I don't see the hope you think is in New Galactica is because,

    You ready?

    Here it comes:

    THERE ISN'T ANY!!!!!

    And the fact that some of your fellow fans don't see it either, tells you everything you need to know right there. The entire show was about the people whining about their miserable lives BEFORE the fall of the colonies. Kara is a glaring example of this.

    Well, I've made my points, and nobody wants to listen, so. I'm out. Go back and watch your "arty" "deep" "Philoshpical" show with it's kewl explosions children. My friends and I will go watch real TV.
     
  17. David cgc

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    Does that mean if I found someone who didn't like the show but thought it was about overcoming adversity, that would prove that you were wrong?

    I'm so, so glad I didn't waste my time researching a fresh set of examples for you. I'd be more than a little irritated if I'd put some bit of time into that post for you to just ignore the whole thing and say, "I'm right because I am!"
     
  18. Neroon

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    RandyS, disagreeing or not, frustrated or not, take care in your replies here.
     
  19. stonester1

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    He just pointed out moments of CLEAR hope. In fact, the stark situation makes the hope more poignant, more "real", IMO, rather than layering it on thick with a big ol' smile and group hug.

    It's not there isn't hope. You just need a big neon sign pointing to it, with nothing to muddy the waters up. You refuse to see it, even though it clearly is there.

    NewBSG, a show without hope? No, just old fans who want it old fashioned and don't pay attention.
     
  20. BolianAuthor

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    Of course TOS has to be the more realistic series... I don't know how I didn't realize that it's so normal for people to throw out witty one-liners while smoking stogies and chasing women, just hours after everything you've ever known has been totally destroyed, including your family... :rolleyes:
     

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