I hope for more traditional space battles

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by Infern0, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. anh165

    anh165 Commander Red Shirt

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    Yes I get that, but the example of clarity and understanding is also dull and terribly fanboitastic, had the Kelvin and Narada encounter were done in that way, fanboys can count how many old type IV phaser laser beams and romulan special anti-borg type X disruptor bolts were fired and recall to the final letter which power coupling conduit codswallop was taken out, where as the rest of the audience would yawn and leave their seats, and then the whole ST reboot, along with the franchise would be truely dead and buried.
     
  2. BillJ

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    The other thing was Voyager was going to axe Garrett Wang until he was named one of People Magazines 'Fifty Sexiest People', then the axe fell on Jennifer Lien.
     
  3. Borgminister

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    Another TNG movie would've had much more to overcome from the standpoint of perception than a reboot of TOS, IMO. TNG's performance at the box was woeful toward the end, and TOS represented a fresher start from a true retro standpoint. The archetypes are also much simpler to present in a 2-hour format than Picard's ensemble.

    I say this as one who also thought DS9 was the "best" of all Trek series overall, and would love to see that cast on the big screen, but that just is not going to happen.
     
  4. Ryan8bit

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    Worf, Seven, Xindi: yes
    Dominion War: no

    The Dominion was established very slowly and subtly as an adversary. It took like 3-4 seasons for the war to even start. It's not the same as the others which were immediate grabs.
     
  5. DalekJim

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    I'm actually glad that DS9 escaped. I don't want a JJ Abrams DS9 action film with Sisko telling Kira to "Buckle up!" as a 2-dimensional shouty caricature of Gul Dukat screams "Fire everything!".

    DS9 was so great because it didn't have to water itself down too much. Which it would have had to have done if it become a Hollywood blockbuster.

    As it stands, its legacy is untarnished. Best Trek ever.
     
  6. BillJ

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    I'm talking more about the ramping up of violence and big battle scenes like we saw beginning with The Way of the Warrior.
     
  7. Franklin

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    Many TNG fans are hardly young whipper-snappers any more. If one was 15 when TNG first aired, that person's 40, now.

    More's the pity for your Trek friends who haven't even seen TOS. Not that they have to like it, but no curiosity about it at all? Kind of like being a young Yankee fan and not having the least interest in Babe Ruth or even Mickey Mantle.

    "Star Trek" may not be all about Kirk and Spock, but they are the roots of the franchise. And sometimes, in order to get something that's lost its spark to grow and thrive again, you've got to cut it back to its roots.
     
  8. BillJ

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    Once again, they had 178 episodes to tell a story, the 2009 film had two-hours. Surely you know there should be a difference in tempo and style between the two.
     
  9. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Star Trek actually is all about Kirk and Spock. :lol:

    One of the annoying things about DS9 was just how tepid and TV-safe their treatment of war and all the issues involved really was, relative to any seriously intentioned piece of drama in the last, oh, forty years. Someone has claimed that it was the result of being created by guys who'd never served in a war zone but had seen a lot of movies. I don't know that this is true; given the ages of some of the folks involved I'd tend to think otherwise...but it would make sense, given the actual content.
     
  10. Borgminister

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    Long as we always remember the implied IMO, I agree. Although I look forward to Into Darkness, and also think, overall, the reboot was handled really well in a delicate balancing act.

    Come on, you don't want to see Cumberbatch respond, "Everything" to Kirk's query?
     
  11. DarthTom

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    I also think there is a high degree of confusion on how much money comes directly out of Paramount's pockets to make a Trek film [or any of their big films for that matter] versus how much is from investment money [large institutional investors and even small] where the people investing in the film are being guaranteed a certain rate of return.

    As such - they follow the formula. The old Trek formula of 'morality plays,' likely wouldn't get much financing to be made in the first place.
     
  12. BillJ

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    To the general public? Absolutely.
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    DS9 kind of always did do big battles. Emissary starts off showing the Battle of Wolf 359, and then there was the big battle in The Die is Cast. Not to mention the Defiant was introduced as a warship.
     
  14. anh165

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    I thought the 'dominion' were a lousy contrived adversary, what is so facinating about an alliance that purely spammed the galaxy with deus ex machina tough jem hadar war ships piloted by big tough intellectually limited race of soldiers addicted to some drug that only a some other race of limp-weak but 'crafty' aliens that no one can remember can supply them.

    It is 1990's game console characterisation at its best.
     
  15. BillJ

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    They did have a couple. But they upped the mix after Worf's arrival and since they were struggling in the ratings, it's not hard to connect the two.
     
  16. DalekJim

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    Cumberbatch is why I hold out hope. It's no secret that I fucking hate Nero. I think he's the worst villain in the history of Star Trek. His motives are non-existent ("A Vulcan risked his life to save my wife in time but he was slightly too late so I'm gonna blow up Earth!" WTF!), Eric Bana's performance was Razzie worthy ("FIYUHHH!") and why exactly was he chilling around for 25 years doing nothing?

    There is no way but up from Nero as far as I'm concerned and Cumberbatch seems to be delivering as far as the performance goes.
     
  17. DarthTom

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  18. DalekJim

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    Strongly disagree. The treatment of the Bajoran/Cardassian feud alone was better handled than almost all real life wars are in TV dramas. An episode like Duet knocks most television in to dust.
     
  19. BillJ

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    M*A*S*H presented life on the front lines of a war-zone in a far more realistic and frank manner in the early-70's than DS9 did in the 90's.
     
  20. DalekJim

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    Arguable. But both are 2 of the best television shows ever broadcast so it doesn't really matter to me much which did better. Personally I prefer DS9 but that's because fantasy/sci-fi tends to appeal to me over most genres.
     

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