How would you have written Kim

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  1. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    That's about 5 months away.

    Voyager didn't have a science officer.

    How do you think he would look in blue?
     
  2. teacake

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    Who, Michael?
     
  3. Guy Gardener

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    This is a Kim Thread.

    Don't forget that he exists in his own damn thread.

    Have some respect.
     
  4. teacake

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    :alienblush:

    I forgot about him. He was off topic for at least three posts.

    He'd look a dork in blue. And that has it's appeal but he's not enough of a dork to make that happen.

    They would have to change his whole personality, he'd have to be curious and smart and smug.
     
  5. Guy Gardener

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    Kim once made Tom feel deficient because the helmboy couldnt remember being born.

    He's got smug in spades.
     
  6. teacake

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    If he's in blue he gets to spend more time with 7. BUT the Delaney sisters are probably less interested in him.

    I just don't think it's his colour. Now if there was a mauve it might work.

    Here's the thing though. Kim would have been less fail in blue. Because people make excuses for science. All he would have to do is come up with a few clever ideas and look sheepish. He could have been COMPLETELY RECAST as the affable and somewhat dorky blue guy.
     
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  7. Lynx

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    Now, if I had been the writer, I would have had Kim bursting out in this song right in the middle of the dialogue:

    Love!
    Love is all around me, everywhere
    Love has come to touch my soul
    with someone who really cares
    No one can deny us
    People who once pass me by
    will turn their heads on
    I'm happy just to be with you, and loving you the way I do, yeah.......


    "Afterglow Of Your Love"
    Small Faces

    That would have made a better impression on both Janeway and the viewers. Not to mention that it would have created some interest among Voyager fans for the good, old Small Faces too! :techman:
     
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  8. teacake

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    Did you ever see the singing episode of Sanctuary?

    To be fair to your idea I don't think it would quite hit that low point.
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    How low was the singing episode of Greys Anatomy?

    Although last week on Private Practice Charlotte kept having all these dreams about competitive dancing in fancy ethnic costumes, and previously all I though she was good for was yelling at people.

    The Jack Pack Singing on DS9 was outstanding.
     
  10. stj

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    Kimophobia: fear of being a male ingenue

    Seriously, the Kim speech on love is just conventional thinking. The truth of an idea is determined by the intensity of emotion it evokes. The true self is more important than anything. And, no matter where you are or what the situation is, you've got a career, even if you are sacrificing it for love.

    The notion that anybody on Voyager is having a career is the really crazy part.

    PS I'm not sure how I would have written Kim, except that I hope I wouldn't have written him as Voyager did: A token minority.
     
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  11. R. Star

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    Guess they all got pity promotions after getting home.... only thing that really explains the Admiral part with Janeway.
     
  12. JirinPanthosa

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    And it's pretty much acknowledged two years later in Nightingale that if Kim had not been stranded in the Delta quadrant he would have been promoted a long time ago. Also in Warhead just a few episodes later it's pretty obvious that he is considered worthy of advancement.

    If Voyager had done stories about the 'cabin fever' effect of isolation, Kim would have been the perfect character to spearhead that angle. Remember Kim pretty much joined Starfleet out of parental pressure. What if being isolated from that pressure made him second guess that and start to feel claustrophobic like I'm sure a sizable amount of the crew would have been?
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    In all honesty the events of Timeless should have frozen his advancement forever.

    A Kim destroyed the universe for selfish and substandard reasons.

    Someone that criminally irresponsible should never be given their own star ship, and should never be allowed to run free that they could come into possession of their own Starship outside of Starfleet with which they could destroy the universe at whim again whenever without oversight.

    In Endgame, any other Captain would have opened fire and destroyed Admiral Janeway if she had led them to believe that she was about to destroy the universe, because the needs of the infinite outweigh the needs of a 140 idjits.

    The crew of the USS Rhode Island should have mutinied because their captain was clearly insane and suicidal.

    Destroying reality is in his nature, and it's unforgivable.
     
  14. stj

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    Wasn't Nightingale actually a disguised critique of Rick Berman's micromanagement? Kim's ego screwed up Janeway's first contact with the other set of aliens. (Yes, neither Janeway, Chaktotay nor Tuvok thought to check the hold of the Nightingale. But Paris, the writer, made a face at the idea of Kim commanding, so obviously that means Janeway, Chakotay and Tuvok were stupid to listen to Kim.)

    I've read that Robert Duncan McNiell couldn't (wouldn't?) do techical dialogue. Thus, Garret Wang got ninety percent of his jargon and the inadvertent creation of a brilliant engineer character, even though it was established that a brilliant Kim means you're in an alternate universe.
     
  15. teacake

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    When I read this last night I was slightly intoxicated and I read it several times and I couldn't understand a word of it.

    Now it's Christmas morning and I still don't understand a word of it.

    "The truth of an idea is determined by the intensity of emotion it evokes."

    Okay what the heck is that.
     
  16. Guy Gardener

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    What about Vulcans who "have" no emotions?
     
  17. teacake

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    They have 'em, they just don't want them evoked.
     
  18. Guy Gardener

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    I formatted the shit out of that sentence to indicate just that.

    It's hard to have a career when there's no money.

    You go home and live like a 20th century billionaire no matter if you go back to work or not.

    I suppose because of the service contract that if you don't go back to work at Starfleet without a good explanation, then they put you in the stockade for 20 years.

    What sort of idiot would put up with that?

    In the military today, they pay you.

    Your family has it's mortgage paid off and they get to continue eating as long as you don't panic and run off.

    It's no Carrot, all stick in the future.
     
  19. teacake

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    I want to be the obtuse one more often. Formatting be damned.

    In the future people work to better themselves. I'm sure my DNA would have been weeded out fairly quickly.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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    Janeway won't let people better themselves.

    She puts them in little boxes and then locks the boxes.