How we deal with death

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Leaf, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. LutherSloan

    LutherSloan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'm pretty sure that it is an unwritten rule in comics that you never kill anyone off permanently.

    As far as Janeway goes, I think it's been made pretty clear on here that she isn't coming back, despite the potential at the end of Before Dishonor.

    Speaking of deaths, I noticed that the Star Trek Online web-timeline is following the same path as the Star Trek Countdown comic series, with Data's personality reasserting itself through B-4.

    Personally, I want him back 100x more than I do Janeway. He was just a far more interesting character, and I think the ST universe needs him back.
     
  2. Thrawn

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    The author of Full Circle and Unworthy has explicitly stated several times that Janeway does not come back in either of those books, but that beyond that, and I quote, "anything is possible".

    Let's stop misrepresenting the facts here.
     
  3. Trent Roman

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    Good examples.

    No one is misrepresenting anything. It's been reported several times that the position of editorial on this is that (paraphrasing because I don't recall the exact quotes) Janeway is dead, dead, dead; that the intent going forward is that Janeway's death is to be permanent (as Before Dishonor was originally structured); and that there is no intention of bringing her back. Editorial has, if anything, gone out of its way to highlight this as the future direction for this branch of the novel line, compared to the more limited disclosure we usually receive on future plans.

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  4. joyofvgr

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    Well, Kirsten Beyer stated that she was told to write Janeway as being "dead dead" in her upcoming books, but she stated that in the future anything is possible. I'm not sure who else might have commented on the future of Janeway.
     
  5. joyofvgr

    joyofvgr Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I agree.
     
  6. Thrawn

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    As far as I'm aware, all of those statements by Margaret Clark happened when "the future" was still Full Circle and Unworthy; I don't think any of those statements were made without a "for the forseeable future caveat", which makes them equivalent to what Kirsten stated.
     
  7. Christopher

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    It used to be said that nobody stayed dead in comics except Uncle Ben (Spider-Man's uncle) and Bucky Barnes (Captain America's sidekick), but I think they brought back Bucky a couple years back.
     
  8. Trent Roman

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    And as far as I'm aware, there has been no indication of a shift in position since, which makes it equally applicable to proximate, middling and distant future until such a shift occurs.

    EDIT:
    Bucky has indeed returned and become a major player, and Uncle Ben has also made appearances, although not the 'real' Uncle Ben. As far as I know, however, Batman's parents have yet to rise from their graves.

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  9. Sci

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    Gwen Stacy is still dead, right?
     
  10. Trent Roman

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    Oy, so many clones you don't even want to know.

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  11. shanejayell

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    Read "The Black Glove" and "Batman RIP" yet? :guffaw:
     
  12. elaithin

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    Hey, Bruce and Martha Wayne are still dead. As well as the real Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben.

    Of course, Bucky turned out to have a case of "never-was dead" - which is fair, as he never had an on-panel death to begin with.

    And of course, there's always Jean Grey, who may or may not presently be an eight year old girl time-traveling with Cable centuries in the future. Or just might be in the White Hot Room. Who knows?

    See? Star Trek deaths are really quite reasonable, by comparison.
     
  13. ClayinCA

    ClayinCA Commodore Commodore

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    :wtf: Yeahbuhwhaaa? :wtf:

    Oy. This makes me glad I haven't read the X-Men books in quite some time....
     
  14. elaithin

    elaithin Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    To be fair, if she is the child Cable's protecting, it actually plays pretty well into the way Morrison left her a few years ago.
     
  15. MargaretClark

    MargaretClark Commander Red Shirt

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    Kathryn Janeway is in FULL CIRCLE, as the book spans several years while she was serving in Command.

    Strange that everyone seems to "know" what I've said and what is planned...and I haven't posted a single comment. (except this one)

    Ah...the Internet.

    Margaret
     
  16. Thrawn

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    I was basing that on stuff that'd been posted about conversations with you at conventions; if I'm at all mistaken or misrepresenting you, please correct me. At the very least, I accurately quoted Kirsten from another thread; the last thing I want to do is be presumptive or spread misinformation.
     
  17. Jbarney

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    I think the most recent trek lit (that which has been written over the last decade or so) has done a great job bringing death into its stories. We all react to death in different ways...but I think its really interesting to see some of the characters we've seen established on screen die in the comics and novels.

    Some of the Klingon characters Krad killed off in his books had quite the affect on me as I read them. I read them not knowing Colonel Worf, Azetbur, and K'avada would die and was SHOCKED when they did.

    I guess one of the more frustrating things for me is when one character does get killed off (like Gul Evek) by one novelist and then that death isn't followed through on by editors or other writers.

    Just my opinion though,
    Jason
     
  18. Rush Limborg

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    Amen....:rolleyes:

    BTW...wasn't Batman's dad THOMAS Wane?
     
  19. LutherSloan

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    Not only is Bucky still alive, he is now Captain America.
     
  20. David R. George III

    David R. George III Writer Fleet Captain

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    Not to put too fine a point on it, Jason, but Keith did not kill Azetbur, who died in Serpents Among the Ruins. I have to take credit for that.

    For those of you keeping score at home.