How do you feel about Torchwood Miracle Day

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  1. Starkers

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    The worst thing about Miracle Day is that even though they have ten episodes there are things that aren't nearly well explored enough.
     
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    I think both were too long. Miracle day should have been five or four episodes, and CoE should have been three.

    Besides, CoE didn't really have that warm feel the first two did. In 1 & 2, we had "the gang". Jack, Gwen, Owen, Tosh, and Yanto. In CoE, I didn't feel there were enough cast members to really make it work.

    At least in Miracle Day, I feel it eliminated that problem by adding in new cast members, something that I feel CoE really should have attempted instead of bloody killing off another cast member.

    I want them to do a fifth series desperately, but only because I love the first two so much.
     
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    My favourite episode from the first 2 series was Adrift, pretty much the only episode that lived up to the premise of being sci-fi for grown-ups.
     
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    Wow, I don't think I've ever seen anyone so totally misunderstand Children of Earth or what it was trying to do. It was different from series one and two because it was supposed to be. It wasn't trying to continue Torchwood as it had been. It wasn't supposed to be warm or have a team atmosphere. It was a story about survivors and loss. And it worked brilliantly.
     
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    Personally, that's not my cup of tea. I liked the format of 1 & 2. But that's just me.
     
  6. TJ Sinclair

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    Not liking it is fine. Saying it didn't work because it wasn't like what came before isn't. That's missing the bloody point of the whole thing.
     
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    The first 2 series were just Angel/Buffy but with John Barrowman. A key problem being that Boreanaz and Gellar could act.

    The show's metamorphosis from being a patronising BBC3 yoof TV show to a solid adult drama was very welcome. Then Miracle Day missed the point entirely regarding what made the previous series successful, and reminded us why Russell T. Davies had no place writing science-fiction.
     
  8. Green Lantern

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    Well, RTD is a Buffy fan. ;)
     
  9. TJ Sinclair

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    IMO, Gellar can't act her way out of a paper bag, sorry. She's the single reason why I've never been able to get into Buffy, and believe me, I've tried. Love Boreanaz, though, and most of the rest of the cast.

    As for Torchwood, RTD really didn't know what he wanted to do with the show other than to play with ideas of sexuality. The first series doesn't know if it wants to be The X-Files or Queer as Folk. The second series got much better. Nothing too daring as far as plots or storylines, but things that were at least consistent and fun. "From Out of the Rain," "Dead Man Walking," "Adrift" and "To the Last Man" are all worthy episodes. They would have been only decent filler stories in Doctor Who, but compared to rest of the dross of early Torchwood, they were the cream of the crop.

    Children of Men, though, was absolutely revolutionary. It is perhaps the best example of modern science fiction I've ever seen on television. The fact that it was apparently a fluke that RTD and the others didn't actually understand is extremely disheartening. If they did understand it, it could have marked a new era for televised sci-fi.
     
  10. Starkers

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    Second series of TW was so much better than the first, mainly because the show relaxed a bit, realised it was a bit shit, and actually became quite comfortable.

    With regard to series 1 a friend once said;

    Sarah Jane Adventures, written by adults for 14 year olds
    Torchwood, written by 14 year olds for adults...
     
  11. TJ Sinclair

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    And that's why Sarah Jane Adventures is infinitely more watchable than Torchwood. SJA is one of the best children's shows of all time, because it treats children with intelligence and does it so well that adults get just as much out of it.
     
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    'xactly.

    I miss the Sarah Jane Adventures more than I miss torchwood.
     
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    Okay, that has just got to be the most ridicules thing I've read all day. SJA was a train wreck. I remember one really good two parter which is one of the earlier ones where this friend of Sarah dies, but then something changes time so Sarah died instead. Not sure if anyone can remember that one. But that's one of the only decent SJA stories ever. The only other ones I quite like are the two with the doctor in it. Other than that, the majority of the series sucks. Torchwood is infinitely better than SJA. Plus everything looks so much cheaper on that than it did Torchwood. Everything looked like it cam straight out of the second half of doctor who series 7 (plastic Cybermen for gods sake).

    Nope, SJA is not at all that good. Only has a handful of good episodes. With Torchwood, I admit I can' think of much outstanding from the top of my head (okay, how about Cyber Woman?), but the majority of episodes are watchable over and over again. SJA doesn't have that quality. Let me remind you SJA had four full series with one series with one and a half stories, and Torchwood only had two whole series, and two serial series.

    Oh also, I just thought of a great episode from Miracle Day. The flashback episode (episode 7 or 8 I think) with Jack and that gay dude. I thought that episode was well written.
     
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    SJA was not only better than Torchwood, it was better than the RTD era of Doctor Who.

    Prefer the spookier atmosphere of Dark Shadows though.
     
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    That's utterly ludicrous.
     
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    As are 99% of the opinions you express in your posts, so welcome to my world.

    As an adult drama, Torchwood was broken, incompetent and subpar. As a children's show, SJA was so far above average it's insane.
     
  17. TJ Sinclair

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    Spoken like an American fourteen year old. Torchwood was a prurient train wreck from day one that only ever became something decent later on -- in spite of RTD. Sarah Jane is brilliant, intelligent, fun and witty. Yeah, the SFX can be a little dodgy, but so can Doctor Who in general, and SJA is much, much more like the classic series in most every respect than anything else of the modern era of Who.

    And "Cyberwoman"? Your go to for Torchwood brilliance is one of the absolute worst episodes of the series, man. Series One of Torchwood was so terrible that I haven't gone back to it since it aired. Every horrid moment is forever seered into my brain no matter how much I wish it otherwise. Whereas, Sarah Jane, I just finished watching all five seasons for the second time, and got more out of it than I did the first run through. I expect in about a year's time, I'll watch it again. And I'll happily recommend it to my friends and their kids.

    It's obvious from your posts, your take on things and what you like, that you watch with your gonads and don't understand when something is truly intelligent.
     
  18. Green Lantern

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    I'm not rating Torchwood as an adult drama nor am I rating SJA as a children's one. I am simply rating them as good or bad TV shows. I'm rating them on how enjoyable they are, not what message they tell or some other bull. Now as a childrens drama, you're right, SJA is marvellous in comparison to other kids shows. And Torchwood, maybe not the best example of adult sci-fi and horror. But I'm not grading them for that reason, I'm grading them on how much I enjoy them.
    Actually, I'm a British 15 year old now.

    Look, we just clearly have very different tastes.

    So just because a show is more like classic who than modern who automatically makes it better?
     
  19. TJ Sinclair

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    And the fact that you enjoy them, or don't, as you do, is a reflection of your youth and inexperience.

    No, of course it doesn't. You're my comment out of context, again displaying that you don't really understand it. My statement that Sarah Jane Adventures is more similar to the classic show in many ways than the modern show is simply a reflection of its style, not its value.

    My assertion that it is unequivocally better at what it does than Torchwood is, on the other hand, is certainly about quality. When you're older, you may find your opinion of SJA changes.
     
  20. DalekJim

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    The explorations of adult sexuality in Torchwood were so sterile and un-sexy. Immature sequences of Jack going to a bar looking for cock, James Marsters declaring his desire to shag a dog, or Owen awkwardly date-raping people.

    On the other hand, Rani in SJA gave me a boner every episode. Yeeaaaaaaaaah.