Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by t_smitts, Sep 21, 2012.
And maybe the severed arm in the cantina scene?
Which is why The Black Hole wasn't rated R, but it was enough to guarantee that it would not be rated G.
I heard one story that Lucas wanted the PG rating so as to attract teens and adults, but got it when at a preview showing, a young child cried when Darth Vader choked the captain of the rebel ship to death. An MPAA official on hand supposedly said, "You got your PG rating, George".
If I remember right it was the use of damn and hell in the movie that got it the "PG" rating. Tron, I believe was also rated "PG" for the same reason.
Sounds fishy. The MPAA does their own screenings and doesn't go to theaters to do it.
That's right, Alan Ladd Jr. and the studio took the lead on that, not surprising since it was more marketing than a filmmaking issue. The story in the book is that the MPAA issued a G in a close vote. The studio requested a reconsideration for a PG. The Star Wars publicist, Charles Lippincott, saw a young boy at the preview screening start to cry when Vader choked the ship captain and felt that a PG was really warranted. Lippincott knew a woman who was on the MPAA rating board, and she told him that she and another woman had wanted a PG but some of the male members hadn't really paid attention to the movie or had fallen asleep. After the review, the PG was granted.
I think the better question is "why would anyone expect TMP to get a PG rating?"
Well, you've got a horrific transporter accident, and you've got a crewwoman from a race so sexually overpowering that she had to take an oath of celibacy just to be allowed to serve with humans. And you've got a robot duplicate of said crewwoman who initially appears buck naked in the shower.
And let's not forget, the Director's Edition is rated PG. It was always kind of a borderline case.
Indeed... I would amend Squiggy's chart above to
G: This is for kids up to age five.
PG: this is a Disney/ family movie.
PG-13: This is 90% of all movies you will see, and runs the gambit from family fare to dirty comedy, to hard core action.
R: Lots of blood, excessive cursing, male nudity, the whole thing is about sex.
NC-17: art house sex movie, European sex movie, anything dealing with a graphic and frank look at homosexuality, excessive male nudity, political rating for a movie the MPAA did not like.
The transporter accident isn't horrific as portrayed. It's funhouse mirror stuff with sparkles and an admittedly scary sound.
Sure, Ilia claims she has an oath of celibacy but there's no sign her Deltan sexuality-know to-us-only-by materials-outside the film has any affect on anyone in the theatrical cut. Hell, you can't see her in the shower as anything but a blurry silhouette.
For 1979 that has G written all over it. The Black Hole, with its ominous Maximillian and its spinning blades, Durant's murder by same (even if we don't see it), and images of the zombified Cygnus crew are more obviously reasons for the PG rating it got. It's more viscerally frightening than TMP, which expresses almost all of its violence via lightning bolts and sparkles.
Just read that draft of the script. Yep, she's there in the swimming scene. She also works for Nogura. She bites it in the transporter. Oh, and Kirk says he was going to ask her to marry him...but he fails to mention her again after the accident.
Whew. I thought I was losing it. I assumed that the Lincoln Enterprises version of the "In Thy Image" script, featuring Alexandra, was the most commonly circulated one.
Yes, "as portrayed." That's my whole point. There is content in this movie that potentially could've been considerably more graphic, but that got severely toned down in order to get a G. On paper, there's a lot about the idea that sounds PG, but it had to be underplayed in the execution, especially where Deltan sexuality is concerned. Deltans are an R-rated concept forced into a G-rated movie, and that's always felt incongruous to me.
And one more time: The Director's Edition is rated PG. And the only reason for that change is because of tighter editing and a more intense sound mix in sequences like V'Ger's plasma bolt attack on the Enterprise -- or perhaps simply because the 2001 MPAA panel had slightly different standards than the 1979 one. Like I said, it was a borderline case all along. It only took the tiniest changes to push it over the line into PG.
How are Deltans and "R" rated concept? Their notions of sex and marriage are about equal to the Betazed's ideas of sex and marriage. The relationship between Troi and Riker was synonymous with that of Decker and Ilia's and Troi was toned down as Ilia was I guess.
The new sound for the plasma bolt in the DE is one of the issues I have with it. It lost its threatening feel to me. The original sound had a very un-nerving sound to me.
^Hm... I found the original sound effect rather anemic.
I only have anecdotal evidence to offer, considering that I'm Generation-X and watched it on UHF in reruns in the 70s. My dad worked long enough hours that he was not home to watch it at the 5PM or so slot that it was in. My mom was busy cooking dinner. It was therefore not "appointment television" in this household. It was a show that nerdy boys watched after the afternoon cartoons were over and before sitting down at the dinner table. If the rest of the family were aware of Star Trek, it was more through the indirect influence of those in the household who made it part of their ritual to watch it.
What constituted an PG in 2001 isn't the same as in 1979, and thus isn't an apt comparison. One could argue that the creation of the PG-13 rating effectively caused the standard "PG" to be nudged down to cover things that previously would have been G. Only the MPAA knows for sure.
But, by 1979 standards TMP got the rating it merited: G.
The original sound was a low rumble like a lot of power held in check waiting to be freed. It just sound and felt more powerful to me.
^I don't recall it as a low rumble, but as a high-pitched, sort of warbling electronic sound.
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