How did the Nero, his crew and ship escape Rura Penthe?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by los2188, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. Dukhat

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    I'm perfectly content to believe that the Narada was just flying around in space all that time, with Nero patiently waiting for Spock to show up, and getting steadily nuttier as the decades went by.
     
  2. Set Harth

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    And why exactly did the Narada apparently take on a Klingon armada at the prison planet? Just for shits and giggles?
     
  3. CorporalCaptain

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    For all we know, the Klingons attacked the Narada first just for being in Klingon space. The Klingons will do that, you know (see e.g. TMP: What's this, an alien cloud? Attack!).
     
  4. Tom

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    Well they wanted to show the birth of Kirk and then Kirk at the academy, they just did not have the best plot device to explain the 25 missing years.

    IMO, they could have had it that the blackhole was still around when they attacked the Kelvin, when the Kelvin damaged the Narada by ramming it, the Narada lost power and fell back in into the blackhole and then emerged 25 years later, slightly ahead of Spock. You would have had to change Kirk and Uhura learning about the attacked Klingon ships but thats no big deal.
     
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  5. Set Harth

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    But why would the Narada need to be in Klingon space in the first place?
     
  6. CorporalCaptain

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    Who the heck knows? :lol:

    But as a powerful ship from the future, it could pretty much go wherever it wanted.
     
  7. BillJ

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    Being a Romulan, he may have spent twenty-five years doing things to piss off the Klingons. Entertaining himself until Spock Prime showed up.
     
  8. Set Harth

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    Things that Starfleet, for some reason, never heard about.
     
  9. Mr_Homn

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    yea, the whole twenty five years waiting around thing is just bad writing no matter how you slice it..

    But hey its just a dumb summer action movie so who is surprised really?
     
  10. Therin of Andor

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    I know, but it seems many people with questions about Nero have not heard of the IDW "Nero" mini-series at all.

    Well, whatever they were doing, Nero lost an ear tip during that time.
     
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  12. Timo

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    The original original Rura Penthe was of course both. That is, Jules Verne had it as a hot place, probably somewhere in the Pacific, while Leo Tolstoy had it in deep Siberia.

    Anybody know the etymology of the name?

    To meet Spock?

    Remember that when Nero emerged from the future, he was at a location where Robau's crew was concerned the Klingons were just 75,000 km away or something like that. Now, we don't have a specific reason to think that Nero and Spock would have emerged from the future at separate locations. If there were Klingons at the point of emergence in 2233, there might be a Klingon armada there in 2258 as well.

    On the other hand, it was said in the 2258 emergence scene that Nero had predicted the location of Spock's appearance, not just the time. But Ayel might be speaking of fine-tuning: Nero might have calculated where exactly within the already known star system they would have to wait so that Spock could be grabbed mere seconds after reaching the 23rd century and before getting his bearings.

    In that scene, Nero also made it clear that they had indeed been "waiting" for the past 25 years. Doesn't mean they couldn't have had hilarious adventures in the meantime. But Romulans would be long-lived and patient - and waiting might be the only thing this bunch would be capable of.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  13. The Wormhole

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  14. Set Harth

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    Nero doesn't have to enter Klingon space to meet Spock.

    Actually, we do:

    There is also the fact that the film said Spock's emergence point was in the Neutral Zone. This nomenclature, according to its typical use from TNG onward, means the Romulan Neutral Zone; where the film's script refers to the other Neutral Zone we know about, it uses the term "Klingon Neutral Zone", though this reference did not appear in the film. It seems that Nero emerged on the Federation side of the border anyway, as evidenced by the walla heard on the Kelvin, so that alone would put them in different locations. We can also see this from the implied connection ( in the Federation's perception ) between the "lightning storm" in the Neutral Zone and the reports of seismic activity on Vulcan, since we know from Unification that Vulcan and the RNZ are in relative spatial proximity.
     
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  15. Delsaber

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    Kind of like the Jem'Hadar leaving Worf and Garak's runabout floating around for no reason. ;)
     
  16. The Wormhole

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    Yeah, but that got nitpicked in the show itself. Section 31 considered that as grounds to investigate whether or not Bashir was a Dominion spy.

    Besides, it's a Starfleet runabout. There's nothing special about it that would give the Dominion a tactical edge. Founders who infiltrated DS9 probably already provided copies of the blueprints and schematics. On the other hand, Narada was an uber-avdanced ship from over 100 years in the future. One would think the Klingons would want to study or use it as opposed to leaving it impounded on a prison colony.
     
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    Probably ripped it off in frustration while waiting for Old Spock to appear.


    :lol:
     
  18. Timo

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    ...A location historically established as teeming with Klingon warships!

    That is, it would in fact be ideal for the purposes of the plot if both Nero and Spock departed the future at a spot proximal to the poor, late Romulus, and emerged at the very same spot in the past - a spot close to Vulcan, but also challenged by Klingons who, as per ST2 at least, are keen on loitering where the Treaty of Algeron (at least later) forbids Romulan and Federation forces from being. :devil:

    ...An issue never quite resolved!

    It might well be that a Changeling was supposed to replace not just Bashir (in a type of mission that would inevitably result in the agent's cover being blown, along with Bajor's star) but also Garak, and the runabout was waiting for the made-up "daring escape". While Garak later on did act somewhat suspiciously, we would probably be best off speculating that the Dominion plan failed in this respect, and it was the real Garak who escaped after all.

    Amusingly enough, we don't know even that much. After all, the movie has a scene or two where the missing ear is reversed, forcing us to believe that the tip isn't missing all the time. Perhaps Nero wears a prosthesis that itches, so he frequently removes it? Thus, any "early" scene of him showing an intact ear fails to be proof of his ear being intact "back then". :vulcan:

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  19. Set Harth

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    Again, you're thinking of the wrong Neutral Zone. Besides, even if the Romulan Neutral Zone were 'teeming with Klingon warships', it wouldn't be teeming with Klingon prison planets. It wouldn't be in Klingon space. If the prison break plotline is discarded, Nero would have had no reason to be in Klingon space at all, unless it was just for the hell of it.

    Nero's arrival point isn't even in the Klingon Neutral Zone. It's on the Federation side of the border, where the Kelvin had reason to be. From the IMSDB script: how far are we from the Klingon Neutral Zone? This is why the suggestion that the anomaly could be Klingon in nature is heard being challenged early in the Kelvin sequence. With one arrival point being in a Neutral Zone and the other not being in a Neutral Zone, we know they are not the same location from that alone. We can also see this simply by observing the surroundings of the two arrival points in the film. There is no apparent nearby star in the vicinity of Spock's arrival point.
     
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  20. BillJ

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    Considering his motivations really make no sense to begin with, I don't think "for the hell of it" is a bad explanation.